From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 26.1 release branch created Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:19:53 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: References: <83377mls4d.fsf@gnu.org> <20170919173511.GA19168@ACM> <20170921205447.GA8240@ACM> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506057607 26295 195.159.176.226 (22 Sep 2017 05:20:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 05:20:07 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 22 07:20:02 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dvGNd-0006aC-TT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:20:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56708 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dvGNl-0003Lp-9A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 01:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41376) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dvGNe-0003La-AE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 01:20:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dvGNd-0007lR-Cb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 01:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:54710) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dvGNZ-0007gZ-Dd; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 01:19:57 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D6A160D0D; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Lka3oN3mAxUa; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD521160CFE; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id RtGuceQmEPvp; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.154.18.85]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8AACE160D0D; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:19:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170921205447.GA8240@ACM> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:218672 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > I have redefined > the value of nil in text-quoting-style to mean "no translation of > quotes" and introduced t to mean "prefer curved quotes", the meaning ni= l > previously had. Let's not change the semantics of text-quoting-style's values. Such a cha= nge is=20 not worth the compatibility hassle to users. John asked you to propose a = patch=20 to make text-quoting-style customizable, not to change its semantics. Whe= ther=20 text-quoting-style is customizable is orthogonal to what its values mean,= and we=20 shouldn't conflate the two issues. > quotes. In contrast, a call using a format like @t{"Missing '%s'"} > with only apostrophes typically generates a message like @t{"Missing > =E2=80=99foo=E2=80=99"} with only closing curved quotes, an unusual st= yle in English. > +One way around this problem is to bind @code{text-quoting-style} to > +@code{nil} around the call to @code{error}; this causes the > +@acronym{ASCII} quote characters to be output unchanged. This doc patch, which occurs in multiple places, heads in the wrong direc= tion.=20 "Missing `%s'" is the typical way to quote in Emacs source code. The curr= ent=20 documentation gently warns the programmer to avoid "Missing '%s'" as this= is not=20 the usual Emacs style and typically won't look good anyway. If the warnin= g is=20 not clear enough we should clarify it, not encourage proliferation of aty= pical=20 formats. > +** The variable `text-quoting-style' is now a customizable option. It This (and other changes to NEWS) should use straight quotes, as that's th= e style=20 used in NEWS now.