From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Hedlund Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Fullscreen-mode-on-MS_002dWindows.html be renamed to Maxmize-mode-on-MS_002dWindows.html ? 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Is that impractical >> for some reason? > Is this really about --maximized? I thought this was about > customizations in the init file that cause frames to be maximized. Thank you for assisting me Eli, that is exactly what this is all about. -----------------------------------8<---------------------------------------------- To avoid the slightly distracting visual effect of Emacs starting with its default frame size and then growing to fullscreen, you can modify |.emacs.d/early-init.el| instead of .emacs (thanks Chad). (push '(fullscreen . maximized) default-frame-alist) It works even if it takes time to load a typical .emacs configuration, and has been successfully tested in GNU/Linux (both X11, and Wayland), and Windows. The push function in Emacs is used to add an element to the beginning of a list. In the expression (push ‘(fullscreen . maximized) default-frame-alist), the ‘(fullscreen . maximized) list is added to the beginning of the default-frame-alist list. The default-frame-alist variable is a list of property lists that are used to configure the initial appearance of Emacs frames. Each property list in the default-frame-alist variable contains a set of key-value pairs that specify properties for the frame. *Essentially the code above will make emacs behave like `emacs --maximize` automatically each time when you open it, because the --maximize argument also opens Emacs without the slightly distracting visual effect.* ---------------------------------->8------------------------------------------------ I think I failed with the bold text, can you please rephrase it for me, Eli? I really want to use --maximize as a reference since it is inbuilt Emacs. > The --maximized switch creates the frame maximized from the get-go > here. > A few days ago I posted this: -----------------------------------8<---------------------------------------------- I like Chad's solution to |.emacs.d/early-init.el: |(push '(fullscreen . maximized) default-frame-alist) However, I'd like to compare it with the Lisp code that is executed by `emacs --maximize`, can someone please help with find it? If it's better than Chad's solution, then I'm willing to update "To avoid the slightly distracting visual effect" (https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FullScreen#h5o-3) with code and a comment to the source file where this code is found. ---------------------------------->8------------------------------------------------ For starters, is it even possible to reuse all source code from --maximize in |early-init.el |or is it written in C? --------------EQxj0WKeColHpEZFfcAoeL3y Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 2023-10-23 15:02, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 15:24:36 -0700

David Hedlund <public@beloved.name> writes:


Also, people expect GUIs that can start with a maximized window to not
gradually expand it. Emacs is the only GUI that behaves this way of all
the GUIs that I'm currently using.

Right, but taking a step back here: should we consider that as a bug?

IOW, instead of documenting workarounds, why isn't --maximized fixed to
not have the "slightly distracting visual effect"?  Is that impractical
for some reason?

Is this really about --maximized?  I thought this was about
customizations in the init file that cause frames to be maximized.

Thank you for assisting me Eli, that is exactly what this is all about.

-----------------------------------8<----------------------------------------------

To avoid the slightly distracting visual effect of Emacs starting with its default frame size and then growing to fullscreen, you can modify .emacs.d/early-init.el instead of .emacs (thanks Chad).

  (push '(fullscreen . maximized) default-frame-alist)

It works even if it takes time to load a typical .emacs configuration, and has been successfully tested in GNU/Linux (both X11, and Wayland), and Windows.

The push function in Emacs is used to add an element to the beginning of a list. In the expression (push ‘(fullscreen . maximized) default-frame-alist), the ‘(fullscreen . maximized) list is added to the beginning of the default-frame-alist list. The default-frame-alist variable is a list of property lists that are used to configure the initial appearance of Emacs frames. Each property list in the default-frame-alist variable contains a set of key-value pairs that specify properties for the frame.

Essentially the code above will make emacs behave like `emacs --maximize` automatically each time when you open it, because the --maximize argument also opens Emacs without the slightly distracting visual effect.

---------------------------------->8------------------------------------------------

I think I failed with the bold text, can you please rephrase it for me, Eli? I really want to use --maximize as a reference since it is inbuilt Emacs.



The --maximized switch creates the frame maximized from the get-go
here.

A few days ago I posted this:

-----------------------------------8<----------------------------------------------


I like Chad's solution to .emacs.d/early-init.el: (push '(fullscreen . maximized) default-frame-alist)

However, I'd like to compare it with the Lisp code that is executed by `emacs --maximize`, can someone please help with find it?

If it's better than Chad's solution, then I'm willing to update "To avoid the slightly distracting visual effect" (https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FullScreen#h5o-3) with code and a comment to the source file where this code is found.

---------------------------------->8------------------------------------------------

For starters, is it even possible to reuse all source code from --maximize in early-init.el or is it written in C?


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