From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Agustin Martin" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:08:20 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <8763r858dx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <85ej5vbpzm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87iqv5kiy5.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> <87iqv5wogs.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bq0xihy5.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216372126 1349 80.91.229.12 (18 Jul 2008 09:08:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:08:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 18 11:09:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJlxw-0005vb-8k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:09:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37431 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJlx3-0003yS-Cn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:08:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJlwv-0003yH-O8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:08:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJlwu-0003xy-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:08:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37189 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJlwt-0003xv-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.225]:43847) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJlws-0005Fy-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c30so189908wra.14 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:08:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=7NrYF2dQvS44aN8SOwQgxcdp8YeNx15AFbhr6S6OcOE=; b=o5CC7+5KYGV80nQ8/TZM+0SMrq5nrnwOUQFohh/2zy8ugzZwiu237MDQraMIMMhHmT 5BlLFrUkBx5V6CLXtcX37XU1zDKSDBJA1TSSYUasiXWPKt9IgU6Mrw/zhkJfLFXIITPg FSDKdTQ6S4rhmgHrvqEetNBLiOOe0VzZcetRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=YiY5L6OqxnHFBlmE1PnJ+odxstm+h1PA1cIUv0/bd74rBCjHvq4tqKhpL0abGQDPEN tTKtxBwS0CpxW+ZHEjqyTvDJ6S7BZTcbOlI2Qv0m+c+tptrm1pSserl0cKxnLu7Ppu8A nNqHPu5pNF9du+bsvpSWdfnf7+dibG/+jTjUk= Original-Received: by 10.90.119.20 with SMTP id r20mr4273144agc.21.1216372102174; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.86.17 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:08:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87bq0xihy5.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5e2cf8b28396f07e X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100927 Archived-At: 2008/7/17 Manoj Srivastava : > > Pardon me, I do think I know the problem that Debian was trying > to solve when they implemented this mechanism. Yes, it does break the > expectation that the .el and .elc files live in the same location; I'll > see what can be done to correct that, while still addressing the > problem that does need to be solved for Debian users (by adding > symlinks as David noited is the right thing to do). Just noting that the symlinks approach has been proposed a while ago, http://bugs.debian.org/122444 and the proposed change in policy seemed not controversial. However, no changes in policy were done since then. As a matter of fact, no changes were done for a long time, last emacsen-common Debian package is of 2006-01-17. In the meantime some of us are setting symlinks in our packages as proposed, with no apparent drawback.