From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Ibuffer: w and B default to buffer at current line Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: << >>> <<<83intw5our.fsf@gnu.org>> <3dbc0c03-56f9-4b6f-bd3b-258458967665@default> >> <<<83zin630i9.fsf@gnu.org>> <024f1fd0-80ee-4780-bebb-c935959851bc@default>> <<83vaxuib1p.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1474140876 19015 195.159.176.226 (17 Sep 2016 19:34:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, tino.calancha@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 17 21:34:32 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1blLNT-00034D-Iv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:34:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47230 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1blLNR-0003Cy-Q6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:34:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37094) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1blLMn-0003Cq-E6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1blLMl-0001yE-Hr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:33:36 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:23551) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1blLMh-0001tu-K3; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:33:31 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u8HJXTcF007768 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:33:30 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u8HJXTSM031230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:33:29 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u8HJXSmN014064; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:33:28 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83vaxuib1p.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207505 Archived-At: > > > > When it comes to UI, I'm in complete agreement with Eli: I love DWI= M > > > > behavior, and think this is a virtue of Emacs, not a vice in any > > > > way. > > > > > > If DWIM is okay in the UI, then functions that behave in support of > > > that UI should also be okay. > > > > Yes, of course. But as I pointed out, the case at hand has > > nothing to do with DWIM. >=20 > I disagree. And your reason is? A user _explicitly specifies_ which to use, of the behaviors the command supports. How is that guess-what-I-mean-and-do-it? Is `forward-char` a DWIM command, simply because it can move different distances depending on a prefix arg? I don't think so, but sure, feel free to disagree.