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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250233 Archived-At: On 14.05.2020 08:09, Richard Stallman wrote: > > At least some contributors have certain expectations on gratitude that > > don't end with "thanks", and include a certain degree of autonomy. Like > > having the last word in a technical discussion. > > Strict autonomy for the developer of one part of a software package > (GNU Emacs in this case) is incompatible, inherently, with doing a > good job of maintaining the whole package. > > What we can do, in practice, is leave it to the contributor to decide > nearly all the technical decisions of per part of the package, > except for the occasional issue where we can't. Well, yes. There have to be some limits (say, borne out of ethical considerations). But we'd do well not to intrude on technical autonomy without good reason.