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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252486 Archived-At: On Sun, 2020-06-21 at 05:35 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > > Cc: rekado@elephly.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, > > joaotavora@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru > > Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 01:25:15 +0300 > > > > So, I recalculated by looking at date of the last commit of those "500" in > > GCC, > > and used that date on Clang. I made sure to sort out other corporate mails > > too. > > Command I used is: > > > > git log --since="Jun 8 21:34:46" --format="%ae" | grep -vP > > "@\S*(redhat|arm|suse|google|gnu|adacore|alibaba|intel|ibm|apple|linaro|huaw > > ei|c > > odesourcery|golang|sony|amd|chromium|nvidia|loongson|accesssoftek|ubisoft|mi > > cros > > oft|fb|energize|comstyle|nextsilicon|quicinc|azul|gentoo|graphcore|gdcprojec > > t|si > > five|imagelabs|xilinx|sap|sas|sigmatechnology|sonarsource|ericsson|lowrisc|h > > ight > > ec-rt|polymagelabs)\.(org|com|de|cz|cn|ai|se)" | sort -u | wc -l > > > > So, now GCC still gets 15, while for Clang this number gets increased to 89. > > This metric is irrelevant. Basically, you removed everyone who was a > prominent developer, so it's little wonder that you are left with a > small number. Using such arbitrary criteria, one can "prove" anything > for any project. > > Once again, the long history and the active development of GCC over > those long years are a clear evidence that your criterion is > completely off the mark. I thought I brought counter-arguments to both of your points in my previous email. Anyway, as Stefan mentioned, it is getting offtopic, so maybe let's not continue discussing GCC and Clang.