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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289919 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------qYGSuOulJzFRL0jM8Vo9WNKx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 17.05.2022 16:51, Timothy wrote: > > Hello, > > I’ve recently been chatting with Adrien Brochard (who ran the 2020 > Emacs survey), and I’m pushing for a 2022 Emacs survey. > > Even with detailed telemetry (urgh) it can be hard to understand the > range of experiences and opinions users have. As such, particularly > once we have past surveys to reference and some consistent questions, > I see quite a bit of value in helping: > > 1. Emacs developers, > 2. Emacs package developers/maintainers, > 3. The Emacs community itself > > better understand the Emacs community. > > Of course, this being a fiercely FOSS community, the situation with > survey platforms leaves quite a bit to be desired. To resolve this > issue, I spent some time last year writing a 100% FOSS, survey > framework which is > completely functional without any JS. I have attached some screenshots > of it to this email. > > It would be good to maximise the utility of the survey to the three > groups mentioned earlier. In this vein I hope some of you, > emacs-devel, would be willing to provide some feedback on the survey :) > > Attached you may find the current draft survey questions, both as > survey-questions.org file and the configuration file used by my survey > framework, survey.jl. If you’d like, you can even try running the > survey locally. > > Lastly, if any of you would like to chat about this over IRC you can > find me as “tecosaur” on libera.chat, and @tecosaur:matrix.org over on > Matrix. > > All the best, > *Timothy* > A few comments: - How were you introduced to Emacs? "Emacs recommended by collegue" is not an option, despite using Emacs for work being an option. - Survey seems programmer-centric. What about people using Emacs for non-programming purposes? I.e. as a text-editor? - Which Industry do you work in? Could use a creative/writing? Media/publishing? Etc. My 2 cents -- *Jostein Kjønigsen* jostein.kjønigsen.no jostein@kjonigsen.net - jostein@gmail.com --------------qYGSuOulJzFRL0jM8Vo9WNKx Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 17.05.2022 16:51, Timothy wrote:

Hello,

I’ve recently been chatting with Adrien Brochard (who ran the 2020 Emacs survey), and I’m pushing for a 2022 Emacs survey.

Even with detailed telemetry (urgh) it can be hard to understand the range of experiences and opinions users have. As such, particularly once we have past surveys to reference and some consistent questions, I see quite a bit of value in helping:

  1. Emacs developers,
  2. Emacs package developers/maintainers,
  3. The Emacs community itself

better understand the Emacs community.

Of course, this being a fiercely FOSS community, the situation with survey platforms leaves quite a bit to be desired. To resolve this issue, I spent some time last year writing a 100% FOSS, survey framework which is completely functional without any JS. I have attached some screenshots of it to this email.

It would be good to maximise the utility of the survey to the three groups mentioned earlier. In this vein I hope some of you, emacs-devel, would be willing to provide some feedback on the survey :)

Attached you may find the current draft survey questions, both as survey-questions.org file and the configuration file used by my survey framework, survey.jl. If you’d like, you can even try running the survey locally.

Lastly, if any of you would like to chat about this over IRC you can find me as “tecosaur” on libera.chat, and @tecosaur:matrix.org over on Matrix.

All the best,
Timothy


A few comments:

- How were you introduced to Emacs? "Emacs recommended by collegue" is not an option, despite using Emacs for work being an option.
- Survey seems programmer-centric. What about people using Emacs for non-programming purposes? I.e. as a text-editor?
- Which Industry do you work in? Could use a creative/writing? Media/publishing? Etc.

My 2 cents

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Jostein Kjønigsen
jostein.kjønigsen.no
jostein@kjonigsen.net - jostein@gmail.com
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