From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205460 Archived-At: On 07/08/2016 06:25 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Óscar Fuentes >> You rarely are interested on the whole file. vc-region-history makes >> wonders when you care about part of the file (a function, for instance.) > > That's "git log -L" that I mentioned. It's startup time is not > negligible. Personally, I've never found vc-region-history too useful (as opposed to e.g. vc-annotate). >> Besides, having to jump to the bug is a nuisance >> (some people mentioned that having the ChangeLogs readily available on >> the tarballs is an advantage.) It is not necessary to duplicate the >> whole discussion, but briefly mentioning what the problem was and why it >> was decided to solve it this way would be helpful. > > This request is unreasonable. If nothing else, it will make the bar > for contributing higher, not lower. The information is recorded in > the bug discussion, and there's no need to reproduce it in the log > message. We do encourage that, actually, though not require (bar for contributing, etc). This can be especially useful when the issue is not-to-complex, but the bug discussion is long. Mentioned near "rationale for a change" in CONTRIBUTE.