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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::42c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247008 Archived-At: On 15.04.2020 09:27, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I think if we had the code for making the corners round, we'd use it > more or less unconditionally. But we don't have such code, AFAIK, so > patches to add such capabilities to Emacs are most welcome. I think the difficulty here is to look "contemporary" and yet fit every platform Emacs is run on. Button widgets look different on each. Even between GUI toolkits. And change between releases. The other option, of course, is to look both modern and unique, but it's a harder proposition, especially without a graphical designer on the team. And this stuff gets outdated quickly.