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[24.61.240.80]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n2sm16556881qkf.37.2020.12.14.22.24.54 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Dec 2020 22:24:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> Content-Language: en-GB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::f31; envelope-from=cpitclaudel@gmail.com; helo=mail-qv1-xf31.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260850 Archived-At: On 12/15/20 12:30 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Of 7.3K respondents, 5K disable toolbars, which is more than two > thirds. So perhaps toolbars should default to off? I know toolbars > were all the rage in the 90s, but that's apparently not the case now. > > Opinions? 2ยข: keep them, though with prettier icons. It's trivial to disable them, but it's not trivial to discover that they exist if they are disabled by default. (FWIW, this is a general philosophy: I think Emacs should ship with a lot more stuff enabled by default, maybe with a spartan-mode to revert to the current defaults.)