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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256648 Archived-At: On 28.09.2020 06:45, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Here's a simple example: > > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-09/msg00842.html > > Referring to messages that way is inconvenient for me. The message is > in my saved mail, but I cannot find it with that info. Would you > please send message IDs instead? I can search for that. Too bad. Perhaps the generated HTML should include something unique in the urls to help refer to. Not sure what, though. You can't easily read a website. My email client can't search by message ID. Anyway, here it is: See this and the preceding thread. > > BTW, my last personal email to you has seen no response. Were you too > > busy, or is there some delivery problem, maybe? > > Sorry, I don't remember. I don't remember things like that for very > long nowadays. If it was important, ask me again. OK, will do.