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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255231 Archived-At: > > > I'm not a maintainer, but FWIW my opinion is that what will most like= ly > > > happen is that they will never agree to do this. Menus are not "mode= rn". > > > > What in the world? This strikes me as incomprehensible. > > Who thinks "Menus are not modern"? Why? > > What do they use instead of menus? > > (Perhaps they use a different kind of menu > > but do not think of it as a manu.) >=20 > I think that this is the case, most programmes seem to use the > "Hamburger Menu"[0] instead of a transitional top-menu. I'm not sure > what the reason for this change was, but I have a hunch one of the > motivating reasons was the attempt to merge applications and the window > frames (as GNOME does in the free software world, but Chrome, MS Office, > etc. do in the non-free world). When no space is left between the > application and it's frame, the menu must be moved somewhere > else. Another reason is probably the influence of mobile applications, > that use these kinds of menus due to lack of space. 1. `C-mouse-3' does that - essentially a hamburger menu. 2. Library `tool-bar+.el' offers something similar for the tool-bar: `tool-bar-pop-up-mode'. It adds a pseudo menu to the menu-bar, which, if clicked, shows the tool-bar for the use of a single action. This saves the tool-bar real estate most of the time. If the menu-bar isn't displayed then you can just use `C-mouse-3' to show it, and choose the pseudo menu that pops up the tool-bar temporarily. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ToolBar#ToolBarPlus