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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247799 Archived-At: On 25.04.2020 19:15, Stefan Kangas wrote: > I don't want to come across as negative towards your suggestion to > create a poll, which I think is an excellent initiative. But perhaps > we could consider if there are more pressing or engaging questions to > put before our users. The tabs vs spaces debate feels a little bit > dated, at least to me, and possibly not even that important since it's > so easy to configure to your liking. I don't know about that. It's definitely not urgent, but it's a fairly simple question (unlike some others we might ask), and I think the default behavior of mixing tabs with spaces constitutes a point of confusion for new Emacs users to this day. > Perhaps we could even consider asking for their input on a number of > important questions (not too many, say 4-5) where it would be > interesting to get feedback. Ideally we would try to choose questions > strategically to inspire excitement for Emacs development. (Tabs vs > spaces could of course be one of them.) I think we should only ask one question at a time. Creating multiple polls is an option, of course, but we could just as well wait a little between them. And if indent-tabs-mode is not important in your opinion (it's just the first thing that came to my mind), do you want to come up with some other questions?