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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: More metaproblem
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:44:08 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c8b04856-d4d6-4cf4-898e-a92d97b28ed3@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85bnnhkuep.fsf@stephe-leake.org>

> Whenever someone on this list says "please follow the standard",
> they should _also_ mention ./CONTRIBUTORS, or one of the more
> detailed files in admin/notes. That will get people used to
> refering to those files, raise awareness of them, and encourage
> people to keep them up to date.

Yes.

That's the same kind of thing we do for user questions about
Emacs Lisp coding conventions etc.: (a) answer the question,
but also (b) refer them to the relevant doc about it in the
manuals.

Would it hurt to put the information you refer to, which is
aimed at Emacs contributors, into the Emacs manual, as a
separate section?  A priori, that makes sense to me, but then
I don't see a logical separation between Emacs users and Emacs
contributors anyway.

IMO, it does not matter whether such info is detailed, boring,
internal stuff.  It would still be good to move it from other
files to the official doc, and give it the proper love that
such doc requires.

I think that doing this might have these benefits:

1. Put more of an accent on it, for everyone.  The content
   and form would need to be clear and complete, and kept
   up to date, but that should be the case anyway.

2. Let users know that they can contribute, and just
   what's involved (yes, in detail).

3. Encourage people to reference it, as they do now for
   questions about key-binding conventions etc.

And I do mean "move", not copy.  There should be a single
place where such info resides and is kept up to date.  My
thought is that that place should be the Emacs manual.

Just a thought.  Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with the
info I'm conjecturing about.  It just sounds to me like
this kind of info belongs in the manual, even if it is
not considered useful to the average Emacs user.

If you think that such info really does not belong in the
Emacs manual, then perhaps a separate manual for it makes
sense.



  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-06 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 250+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1XwAvL-0006M3-CA@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2014-12-03 15:31   ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 19:31     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 21:19       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 21:54         ` Metaproblem, part 3 Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 22:13           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04  6:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04  6:32           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 15:37             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 16:06               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 17:53                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 21:48                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 22:53                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-05  4:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  7:20                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05  8:06                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 11:24                         ` andres.ramirez
2014-12-05 14:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 14:46                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 14:47                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 18:38                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-06 17:29                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-06 18:05                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-13 22:03                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-12-04 15:40             ` Generate ChangeLogs (was: Metaproblem, part 3) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 17:23               ` Generate ChangeLogs Karl Fogel
2014-12-04 17:28                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 17:40               ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 19:09                 ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-05  8:07                 ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-06  2:24                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 18:18               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-04 13:58           ` Metaproblem, part 3 Phillip Lord
2014-12-04 14:32             ` João Távora
2014-12-04 17:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 10:27                 ` João Távora
2014-12-05 10:45                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 11:21                     ` João Távora
2014-12-05 11:31                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 12:20                         ` João Távora
2014-12-05 13:16                           ` Kelvin White
2014-12-05 14:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  5:38                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  7:07                               ` João Távora
2014-12-06  8:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 11:40                                   ` [mentor-request] a darkroom/writeroom mode for Emacs João Távora
2014-12-08 12:15                                     ` joakim
2014-12-09 11:46                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-09 12:45                                         ` joakim
2014-12-10  2:39                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-08 12:40                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 11:28                                       ` [mentoring] " João Távora
2014-12-09 12:20                                         ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 13:11                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-09 14:56                                             ` Rasmus
2014-12-10  0:54                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-10  1:22                                                 ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 22:25                                             ` Rasmus
2014-12-11 11:22                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-11 17:15                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 11:19                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-11 18:33                                                 ` Rasmus
2014-12-12 11:16                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-12 12:09                                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-15 12:01                                                       ` [mentoring-done] " João Távora
2014-12-15 13:06                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-15 13:20                                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-15 13:47                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-15 13:55                                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-15 14:38                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-15 13:19                                                         ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 13:37                                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-15 14:15                                                             ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 14:54                                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-15 15:28                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 22:10                                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-12 14:27                                                     ` [mentoring] " Drew Adams
2014-12-12 14:38                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-09 16:32                                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-08 11:46                                   ` [mentor-request] Ecco - a literate programming documentation generator João Távora
2014-12-21 20:17                                   ` Results of the "mentoring" experiment Re: Metaproblem, part 3 João Távora
2014-12-21 21:22                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-22 14:14                                     ` Results of the "mentoring" experiment Stephen Leake
2014-12-22 16:01                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-22 16:03                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-05 12:16                       ` Metaproblem, part 3 Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 13:20                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-05 14:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  5:45                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  6:18                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06  8:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 16:32                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  8:29                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 10:40                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:04                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 12:52                             ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-07  1:41                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-09 12:29                               ` João Távora
2014-12-06 14:18                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-07  1:38                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:51                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07  9:19                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 10:56                 ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 11:15                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 12:09                     ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 14:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 19:32     ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el David Engster
2014-12-03 19:53       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:58         ` David Engster
2014-12-03 20:08           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 20:28             ` David Engster
2014-12-03 20:58               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 20:28                 ` David Engster
2014-12-04 20:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05  2:16                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  8:06                     ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-03 15:34   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 16:41     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-03 18:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 18:36         ` Tom
2014-12-03 19:21           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-03 19:27             ` Tom
2014-12-03 18:58         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-03 19:26           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:11         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-03 19:27     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:41       ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-03 20:03         ` Commit comment rules - and a metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 20:26         ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 21:14           ` More metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 22:13             ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-04  6:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04  8:38                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 10:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 10:23                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 15:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 16:33                     ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 17:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 20:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 21:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 23:03                     ` chad
2014-12-04  9:08                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 10:01                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 10:11                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 10:27                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 10:35                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 11:01                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 11:07                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05  1:23                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05  6:53                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 18:33                 ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-04 21:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 22:01                     ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-12-05  7:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05  7:55                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-05  8:44                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 10:41                           ` the Emacs wiki Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 10:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 21:28                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 22:47                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-09  8:04                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-09 22:28                                   ` Alexis
2014-12-10 21:32                                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-06  5:11                         ` More metaproblem Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  7:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 11:52                       ` Nicolas Richard
2014-12-05 22:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 16:51                     ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 16:57                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 18:24                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 21:16                           ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 18:56                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 17:52                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 18:39                           ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 21:23                             ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 22:24                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 22:41                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-05 23:02                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 23:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  4:58                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06  7:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:35                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 11:58                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 12:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 14:10                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-12-06  9:27                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 10:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:41                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 12:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 13:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 14:22                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 18:19                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 21:14                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 21:23                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 18:20                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 18:56                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 20:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 17:16                             ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-09 11:00                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06  9:41                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06  9:10                       ` maintaining FSF Emacs web page Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 17:57                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-07  9:20                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-09 12:30                           ` Alex Schroeder
2014-12-10  8:24                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06  9:19                       ` More metaproblem Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 16:44                         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2014-12-06 18:41                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 19:24                             ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 22:07                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-07 23:00                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-08 15:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 21:23                                 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-09 16:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10  9:16                                     ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-10 19:46                                     ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-10 20:48                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10 22:10                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-10 20:09                                   ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-10 20:28                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  9:58                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 15:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:37                       ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 19:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:34                     ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 17:40                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 17:54                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-06 12:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06 18:56                           ` publicizing Emacs contribute Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 19:29                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-07  1:00                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-07  1:33                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-08  0:23                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07  9:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07 23:06                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 18:04                       ` More metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 10:19                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 11:45                   ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-06  5:17                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06 10:17                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 16:45                         ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06 10:30                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 22:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04  3:32             ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04  6:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 18:37   ` master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 18:57     ` Eric S. Raymond
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