From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 07:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: < <83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87sh2ih0bp.fsf@fastmail.fm> <83o9d5q1bi.fsf@gnu.org> > <<83tvmxo3iy.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536589932 27120 195.159.176.226 (10 Sep 2018 14:32:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 10 16:32:08 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fzNEV-0006wE-O3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:32:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51997 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzNGc-0003Vc-60 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:34:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42406) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzNCs-0000G7-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzNCl-0003Nk-4q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:30:25 -0400 Original-Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:41970) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzNCg-0003Hb-Di; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w8AESjmI143818; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:30:12 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=05FplYH8JqgTm/tjf/ui7nazlZoioD+75MgvBiPBaCo=; b=j1U8rvoXAo1wXB7yinNH4SHS0Ms4ZjObF7Qlnjs8YyHq1JVaxtY4zWkyeDV9P9r07KQE M4401JrvUl/rkqf/CT/hypKkzke5AtpKeew0Zqhx3pyCowgfPtJenPydMB2PwVYvpwXb +DiNfmVTsF4NGjCNmdO+j3K7eKmL5tZBhBU7JWMuoJdNxRzg8aTJMWyX9TiPSvWSViS4 +heaWb6mbZYs7R82kYoFKYCUM5MN1anHlDvQfp4RLNnKWoUXXwaHD+djIb4NbONTGtuv ozxbOVmxQDzOGnMT0807oeyt2AwvFzV++XQn10uKBF1mjitkjlq4ZT0yEFcCsuNdWf6p /A== Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2mc72qeaxy-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:30:11 +0000 Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w8AEUAu4000946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:30:10 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w8AEU9pL019141; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:30:09 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83tvmxo3iy.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4735.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9011 signatures=668708 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809100149 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.85 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229638 Archived-At: > And, btw, I find nothing wring with this habit of mine, the only > problem here is that someone decided that "C-x C-x" should activate > the region. Yes. `transient-mark-mode' does it. Consider a replacement for `C-x C-x' that does not activate the region. And a command to only activate it (without swapping point and mark), so you can still activate it on demand. Coupling swapping point and mark with activating the region - as the only way to do the former - was probably a mistake. It's OK to provide a command that couples the two, for convenience for those folks (most of us?) who want that. But perhaps we should now consider having two different commands (plus the convenience combo). > > So I'm not sure it's an argument against d-s-m, really. >=20 > Indeed, it could be an argument against "C-x C-x" and/or > transient-mark-mode, except that "C-x C-x" was there first. Yes.