From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: pre-test windows binaries Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87lh5e4049.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8d28bd9c-2832-431e-9d63-2fc072f3222d@default> <8760wg51zs.fsf@russet.org.uk> <4256288b-5206-418f-bbc4-1835d245ca2e@default> <871t744yi9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87twk03hao.fsf@russet.org.uk> <883dab42-f4b3-4903-830c-1e38eb016c67@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__1458774350382197304abhmp0015.oracle.com" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458774395 4526 80.91.229.3 (23 Mar 2016 23:06:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Fabrice Popineau Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 24 00:06:23 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1airr0-0003Bt-2y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 00:06:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46534 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airqz-0001KY-9b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:06:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55168) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airqk-0001KO-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:06:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airqf-0008TK-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:24782) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airqf-0008T8-Lh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2NN5r7b021453 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:05:54 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2NN5rtY021176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:05:53 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2NN5osn014947; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:05:51 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:202155 Archived-At: --__1458774350382197304abhmp0015.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > I have a local gzip.=C2=A0 But I want to do things with the > > > > source files without needing to use gzip. > > > > > > Does Emacs not just do everything for you? > > > > No.=C2=A0 Neither Emacs nor other programs always automatically > > unzip a file on the fly.=C2=A0 Nor should they, necessarily. > > Uh ? Emacs does this for quite a time. At least Emacs-25. You cannot assume that everything in Emacs does so. And certainly other programs run from Emacs, including such simple things as `grep', depending on the platform, do not necessarily do that. What I mean is that by default, Emacs is able to gunzip the .el or .info fi= les=C2=A0you visit on the fly. Thanks to : =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Does Emacs directly use zlib? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes =C2=A0 I'm not sure where it is hooked, but certainly .el and .info files are foun= d by default when they are compressed under .el.gz or .info.gz =C2=A0 BTW: I'm using Emacs only under Windows. =C2=A0 > And all .el files are gzipped when installed by default. "Installed"?=C2=A0 What does that mean for you?=C2=A0 Perhaps you are assuming that what it means for you is what it means for everyone? It means what you get when you do 'make install' when compiling Emacs. =C2=A0 For me, on MS Windows, it means just downloading and unpacking a zip archive that includes executables, source files, etc. =C2=A0 What you download is an archive of the destination directory after doing=C2= =A0 'make ; make install' The Makefiles do compress .el and .info files by default. You get lisp source files, but you don't get Emacs source (C) files this wa= y. =C2=A0 I would be surprised that the zip archives of the pretest binaries be built= differently from mines: =C2=A0 http://semantic.supelec.fr/Software/downloads/emacs-25-20160323.zip =C2=A0 http://semantic.supelec.fr/Software/downloads/emacs-master-20160323.zip =C2=A0 Fabrice =C2=A0 _________________________________ =C2=A0 Sorry, I can't even make sense of your mail - can't distinguish your reply = from what you are replying to. =C2=A0Try plain text, please. --__1458774350382197304abhmp0015.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> > > > I have a local gzi= p.  But I want to do things with the
> > > > source fil= es without needing to use gzip.
> > >
> > > Does Em= acs not just do everything for you?
> >
> > No.  Nei= ther Emacs nor other programs always automatically
> > unzip a fil= e on the fly.  Nor should they, necessarily.
>
> Uh ? Emac= s does this for quite a time. At least Emacs-25.

You cannot assume t= hat everything in Emacs does so.
And certainly other programs run from E= macs, including such
simple things as `grep', depending on the platform,= do not
necessarily do that.

Wha= t I mean is that by default, Emacs is able to gunzip the .el or .info files=  you visit on the fly. Thanks to :<= /o:p>

 

=

  Does Emacs directly use zlib?    = ;                     &nb= sp; yes

 

=

I'm not sure where it is hooked, but certai= nly .el and .info files are found by default

when they are compressed under .el.gz or .info.gz

 

BTW: I'm using Emacs only under Windows.

 

> And all .el files are gzipped when installed by default.
"Installed"?  What does that mean for you?  Perhaps y= ou are
assuming that what it means for you is what it means for
every= one?

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>It means what you get when you do 'make install' when c= ompiling Emacs.

 

For me, on MS Windows, it means just downloading and
unpack= ing a zip archive that includes executables, source
files, etc.

 

What you download is an archive of the destination d= irectory after doing 

'm= ake ; make install'

The Makef= iles do compress .el and .info files by default.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>You get lisp source files, but you don't get Emacs sour= ce (C) files this way.

&= nbsp;

I would be surprised that th= e zip archives of the pretest binaries be built differently from mines:

 

 

 

Fabrice

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>_________________________________

<= o:p> 

Sorry, I can't even make sense of your mail - can't disting= uish your reply from what you are replying to. =C2=A0Try plain text, please= .

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