From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Marcel Ventosa <mve1@runbox.com>
Cc: Thibaut Verron <thibaut.verron@gmail.com>,
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>,
emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 22:08:01 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c389176d-9b2f-7de0-6373-7a7f854f241e@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201016213312.603595fe@argon>
On 16.10.2020 17:33, Marcel Ventosa wrote:
>> Shutting our eyes to actual user behavior also precludes
>> understanding.
>
> From what I just read from Thibaut, a free software compatible solution
> to replace MELPA is underway. Refusing to draw attention to something is
> not "shutting our eyes".
To make a replacement for something, you need to know what something is,
and why it exists.
>>>> ignore a project that has done a lot to popularize Emacs over the
>>>> years.
>>>
>>> I fail to understand the narrative that pushes popularity over all
>>> else.
>>
>> Strawman.
>
> I thought your argument was popularity, something that keeps coming up
> in these kinds of discussions. What was your argument?
You made a strawman claiming that I somehow push popularity "over all else".
My argument is that they have done a lot for the community. Some of
those effects reach the core too.
>> And picking on 2-3 "ideologically impure" packages (out of several
>> thousands!) that are distributed on MELPA is counter-productive.
>
> We could turn this argument around and ask why the developers who
> maintain MELPA don't remove `2-3' packages that promote non-free
> software. What came first, the GNU Emacs or the MELPA?
No, we couldn't "turn this argument around". Those statements are not
even remotely on the same level.
Some Emacs maintainers themselves are known to use proprietary software.
And use Emacs on proprietary OSes. And yet, somehow, MELPA is the odd
one out?
>> You can't be effective at affecting change anyway, if you don't know
>> what's going on outside.
>
> Indeed. As I recall, RMS suggested open questions instead of multiple
> choice questions that "shape their behavior". With open questions, there
> is no need to mention MELPA at all in fact. With open questions, the
> insights that could be derived would be much more interesting.
So we won't suggest ELPA as an option either? What about the users who
don't know the difference? MELPA is also an ELPA, after all (as in
"Emacs Lisp Package Archive").
>> Didn't Philip show a prototype that didn't use JavaScript?
>
> That's very good news if the issue has been settled.
It's solvable, let's put it this way.
>>>> it is unfortunate how Emacs leadership does little to follow the
>>>> external, "unofficial" polls.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by this?
>>
>> I don't recall any single change in Emacs' behavior that resulted
>> from an external poll or survey.
>
> Why should Emacs development be guided by (external) survey results?
Why should it use the scientific method? Why should it pay attention to
other people, or the world at large? Is that what you're asking?
> I
> would think it should be guided, for the most part, by what the people
> putting their time into it want to create, within the principles of the
> philosophy of the project and its goals.
It's not a painting or a novel. It's a software project, with certain
expectations of practicality.
> Also, anyone can suggest
> changes and convince the maintainers that these changes are in the best
> interest of the project (and contribute the actual changes if they are
> accepted).
No, not "anyone can convince".
And like I said: no attention to external polls. Which is what you asked
me to clarify.
> If they are not, Emacs makes it quite simple to implement changes for
> personal "improvements". I have written functions that serve me
> personally and change the behavior of Emacs to suit my needs. There are
> limits to what I can do, which could be pushed if I dedicated a greater
> effort to do so. How is that unfair?
You're veering the discussion off to the side for some reason.
But if we're talking of "unfair", releasing Emacs under GPL, enabling
such excellent extensibility that multiple communities spring up over
years, ones brimming with creativity and people dedicating years of
their spare time to the extensions, and then badmouthing them from afar
as though they violated some existing contract (social or legal), *that*
is unfair.
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2020-10-08 15:30 Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Adrien Brochard
2020-10-08 17:27 ` Philip K.
2020-10-08 17:45 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-09 11:30 ` Philip K.
2020-10-09 14:37 ` tomas
2020-10-09 17:23 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-09 18:17 ` Philip K.
2020-10-09 19:52 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10 3:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-10 9:36 ` Philip K.
2020-10-10 16:33 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10 18:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-11 10:46 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 18:42 ` Philip K.
2020-10-11 19:46 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 1:00 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10 10:35 ` Philip K.
2020-10-11 5:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 17:59 ` Philip K.
2020-10-12 2:03 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 7:31 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-11 12:04 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 17:47 ` Philip K.
2020-10-09 17:59 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-09 0:41 ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-09 1:26 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10 3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-10 21:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-12 2:04 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-09 3:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-09 18:01 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-09 23:12 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-09 23:31 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-09 23:36 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10 2:21 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10 2:40 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10 3:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10 8:09 ` Teemu Likonen
2020-10-10 10:45 ` Rasmus
2020-10-11 10:32 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 15:15 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 18:25 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 19:47 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:36 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-13 3:48 ` How to request changes in Emacs Richard Stallman
2020-10-13 4:59 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 4:47 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-13 15:56 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-14 4:42 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14 5:12 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:19 ` Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:42 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 18:33 ` Philip K.
2020-10-11 18:45 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-13 3:48 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 19:47 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:33 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 23:24 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-12 4:10 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 17:35 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-12 18:33 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 18:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:54 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 14:32 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10 10:54 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-10 13:50 ` Philip K.
2020-10-12 14:36 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-11 11:58 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 14:36 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10 13:17 ` Rasmus
2020-10-12 14:41 ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-11 5:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 7:35 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-11 12:08 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 12:50 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-11 17:15 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 17:36 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-11 18:13 ` Brett Gilio
2020-10-11 18:27 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-11 18:44 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 18:58 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-11 20:12 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 18:34 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 19:15 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-11 19:22 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 20:26 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 2:04 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-12 3:32 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12 5:04 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 5:33 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12 6:29 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 6:58 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12 8:16 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 8:37 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12 14:09 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 7:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-10-12 8:34 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 8:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-10-12 16:36 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-13 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-13 5:25 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-15 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-15 5:19 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-13 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-13 5:27 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 6:02 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 6:52 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 7:24 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 7:53 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 8:25 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 12:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 13:45 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 14:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 14:33 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 14:58 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 15:51 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 16:10 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 16:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 16:32 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 16:50 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 17:16 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 17:32 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 17:55 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 18:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-17 4:20 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 4:50 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17 5:44 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17 6:42 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17 7:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 5:49 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 5:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 8:36 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-20 5:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 9:42 ` Yuri Khan
2020-10-16 15:36 ` Ergus
2020-10-16 19:08 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-10-16 19:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 20:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 20:17 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-17 11:40 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-17 19:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-17 21:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-18 2:58 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 19:22 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:17 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 19:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 20:03 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 20:29 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 20:40 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 5:02 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17 13:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 5:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17 12:34 ` Andy Moreton
2020-10-17 15:56 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-17 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 21:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-18 2:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-18 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 15:20 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 21:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 22:02 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:08 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:47 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-16 20:15 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 20:59 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-16 21:50 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 13:57 ` Ergus
2020-10-16 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 19:11 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 16:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 17:29 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:11 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 19:54 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 20:20 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17 4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 4:31 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-19 10:12 ` Robert Pluim
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2020-10-20 13:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 18:57 ` Jean Louis
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2020-10-18 4:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 16:33 ` MELPA issues - " Jean Louis
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2020-10-16 22:00 ` Qiantan Hong
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2020-10-17 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-10-17 5:06 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17 2:59 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-18 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 5:16 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 7:51 ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-18 9:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-18 9:36 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18 8:57 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-19 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 15:57 ` Philip K.
2020-10-19 3:48 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 11:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-19 12:43 ` Proposal to include obligatory PGP verification of packages from any repository Jean Louis
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2018-01-28 6:30 ` Radon Rosborough
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2018-01-28 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-28 17:32 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-28 22:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29 1:08 ` T.V Raman
2018-01-29 5:53 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-29 7:21 ` John Wiegley
2018-01-29 18:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29 19:19 ` John Wiegley
2018-01-29 19:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29 6:55 ` John Wiegley
2018-01-29 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29 19:55 ` John Wiegley
2018-01-29 21:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29 23:13 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-01-30 1:37 ` T.V Raman
2018-01-29 20:18 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-01-30 15:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-30 22:33 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-30 22:56 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 3:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-31 5:17 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 20:49 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 21:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-31 21:58 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 22:06 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-01 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-01 17:47 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-01 19:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-01 19:19 ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-01 19:28 ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-01 21:44 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-01 22:16 ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-01 23:02 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 8:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 17:19 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-02 18:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 12:19 ` Phillip Lord
2018-02-02 19:20 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-02 22:53 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05 9:17 ` A response to RMS (was Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) George Plymale II
2018-02-05 12:55 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-06 23:34 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05 20:36 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-06 23:42 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-07 20:45 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05 20:36 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05 20:36 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-06 15:06 ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Sam Steingold
2018-02-02 22:53 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 23:12 ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-03 19:13 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-03 20:40 ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05 9:26 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05 9:22 ` Finding an online resource for the agreement (was Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) George Plymale II
2018-02-02 2:14 ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 7:25 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 9:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 17:07 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 17:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-02 22:56 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-14 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-14 23:18 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 17:21 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 18:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 2:12 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 6:15 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05 9:35 ` Another response to RMS (was Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) George Plymale II
2018-02-05 20:37 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-06 23:47 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 2:13 ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Richard Stallman
2018-02-01 19:24 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-01 21:36 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 2:08 ` Tim Landscheidt
2018-02-02 22:53 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 2:17 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 6:26 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 17:14 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 22:56 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05 9:19 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05 20:36 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-06 23:44 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 2:17 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 7:33 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 18:38 ` Drew Adams
2018-02-02 19:05 ` Generations (was: Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) Stefan Monnier
2018-02-02 21:40 ` Drew Adams
2018-02-02 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 23:03 ` Drew Adams
2018-02-02 20:36 ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Phillip Lord
2018-02-02 2:17 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 7:24 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 22:28 ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-05 8:21 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05 20:36 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-04 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 13:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-02 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2018-02-05 4:51 ` Herring, Davis
2018-02-01 19:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-01 22:10 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-01 22:44 ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 1:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-02 20:32 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 3:51 ` T.V Raman
2018-01-31 5:18 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 6:56 ` Tim Cross
2018-01-31 7:07 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 8:05 ` John Wiegley
2018-02-01 7:26 ` Tim Cross
2018-02-01 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-01 16:23 ` T.V Raman
2018-02-03 0:39 ` Tim Cross
2018-02-05 9:24 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-29 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-25 17:07 ` [PATCH] Fixing package-initialize, adding early init file Stefan Monnier
2018-01-28 19:42 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-30 15:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-30 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-01 3:12 ` Mark Oteiza
2018-02-01 4:22 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-01 13:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-18 5:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-08 5:54 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-08 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-30 19:30 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-10 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-10 23:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-11 3:26 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-11 14:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-11 13:31 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-02-15 4:38 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-15 15:54 ` Drew Adams
2018-02-15 16:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-15 19:32 ` John Wiegley
2018-02-15 21:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-16 7:00 ` John Wiegley
2018-02-17 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-17 14:14 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-17 18:17 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-18 18:26 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-02-18 18:55 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-19 3:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-20 19:13 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-02-20 19:26 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-02-20 20:35 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-21 3:48 ` T.V Raman
2018-02-21 8:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-21 20:48 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-21 21:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-21 3:43 ` T.V Raman
2017-10-10 19:03 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-10-10 19:31 ` Robert Weiner
2017-10-10 19:41 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-10-13 21:29 ` John Wiegley
2017-10-14 0:49 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-10-14 5:15 ` João Távora
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