From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Lord" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:35:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87oa9otixb.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5703E15B.7080601@cs.ucla.edu> <87k2kcovt8.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5704233B.4020103@cs.ucla.edu> <8737qzso88.fsf@russet.org.uk> <57045765.4000309@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3ei8vz9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <5705B246.10201@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1460014552 32761 80.91.229.3 (7 Apr 2016 07:35:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 07:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, eggert@penguin.cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Phillip Lord To: "Paul Eggert" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 07 09:35:41 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ao4Tc-0005fz-TJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 09:35:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48119 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ao4TY-0001ON-VO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 03:35:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51611) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ao4TT-0001OI-MZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 03:35:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ao4TP-0000Tp-8e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 03:35:31 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:45409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ao4TN-0000Ta-V7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 03:35:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Cc:To:From:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID; bh=oFvI1y290Qy5FQzB3nIKkyl8XAuQLZSHJSvgNpJTznk=; b=zUD2MCKqjVU3Y96APdX3NVGlFn LPzEdr6NQI6IR8BbiG5WWnicYbW9oHwYeObCbYgxCmybBjhMGcNBKqR8n/Y8bp7fV7ISpsUUK7oF6 xJIUIuW1+JvCpVB5us5GkGsvpH044/HPto6HOsBo6+B9rLs3NeyOtyl1uH0vKsLsYI1pxtqLY9Ly+ PWZTJCsNNOp9FlAXE08kVyaUW9BaU71nnaiFHEVL6KBGVJ96aKqXwbJS26uXr3YnOmrlTmgl5uxkS mZv0BIKYQTcgZfLGzcbtapWXlohDDINO5y0RCE1xMzzOk/bAr+wS7kgJPQwScC6SaahM1VZ/WL9UB L0giCdlw==; Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=38541 helo=cloud103.planethippo.com) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ao4TL-00296T-JC; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 08:35:23 +0100 Original-Received: from 77.98.219.118 ([77.98.219.118]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user phillip.lord@russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with HTTP; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:35:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5705B246.10201@cs.ucla.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:202781 Archived-At: On Thu, April 7, 2016 2:05 am, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 04/06/2016 10:53 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: > >> To repeat, my belief is that a behaviour that was installed >> deliberately, and which has been on master/emacs-25 for a year should not >> have been removed in pre-test. I think Stefan's patch needs restoring. >> Are you prepared to do this? >> > > I think we should be more conservative and stick to the behavior that is > in the latest stable Emacs release. Stefan wrote in May 2015 that the plan > was to take this more-conservative approach; see > . I'm sorry that you didn't know this and > that it messed you up, but that's part of life when lived on the bleeding > edge. As a better alternatively, would it be possible to find a solution to 20484 which does not involve EMACS=t? This would both address 20484 and 20202, rather than robbing Peter to pay Paul. Phil