From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jason Spiro" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Binding F11 and F12 to buffer-switching and file-saving by default Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87veio3npx.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <8764ao3hxn.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1170216566 28059 80.91.229.12 (31 Jan 2007 04:09:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 31 05:09:15 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HC6mY-0005nI-C5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:09:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HC6mX-0000ux-KN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:09:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HC4hF-0000YL-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:55:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HC4hE-0000Xw-W1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:55:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HC4hE-0000Xr-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:55:36 -0500 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.250]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HC4hE-0006hh-1b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:55:36 -0500 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so42429ana for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:55:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JwYwoBybiRXvAP9w5KVd/TeYZxVN3zqoVUn6Cc5BxY4/MKl5et79g+Mj8Qx1lt66BqXJcipi3aGSvL0BBSwqTvWtcpcSbnItK+FI2so3aYQQYy80ad9AoICOs3YFJLn0L1PgCDYKCnfL62Qz3lrkz2PKGBrckxpx46HafhXJ950= Original-Received: by 10.115.89.1 with SMTP id r1mr10735wal.1170208534761; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:55:34 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.114.67.5 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:55:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 734139f110363a79 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:07:23 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:65674 Archived-At: 2007/1/30, Juanma Barranquero : > On 1/30/07, Jason Spiro wrote: > > > I suspect that one of the most popular uses of Emacs is programming. > > Yeah. That doesn't mean people use compile/recompile. I almost never > use it, and I do use Emacs to do programming. I suspect that many *do* use compile/recompile though :) Could we at least bind compile/recompile to some key combo, even if not to F12? > > Yes. I wonder if people have ever studied the issue, for example, > > usability researchers. > > A good question. Anyone know: has anyone ever conducted usability tests on any Emacs? I suspect there are things we could do to make Emacs and its many modes easier to learn. :-) > > Yes, but as Stefan mentions in his reply to this message, we should at > > least bind F11 and F12 to *something*. > > I don't agree. Free, simple keys are a relatively scarce resource. I'd > rather keep them for users. We can bind them in a way that makes users' customizations always override the defaults. This is what was done already with the F1 key. -- Jason Spiro: computer consulting with a smile. I also provide training and spyware removal services for homes and businesses. Call or email for a FREE 5-minute consultation. Satisfaction guaranteed. +1 (416) 781-5938 / Email: info@jspiro.com / MSN: jasonspiro@hotmail.com