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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248749 Archived-At: On 03.05.2020 22:49, João Távora wrote: > We really should work on the completion experience instead of naming. > If I can't drive straight, I'm not going to twist the road to compensate. I can suggest a different analogy: if the road is twisted and full of holes, it doesn't matter how fast or reliable your car is. :-) You'll be late to your destination anyway. > So, I get along quite nicely with flex + fido-mode with the current naming. > But that doesn't mean we can't improve the completion styles to be as > good as those that have a more free-form search. I'm sure there's something to improve there, and more capability is always good, but when the user has to compensate for the API difficulty with specially-tweaked search terms, that's not too great either. > Reasonably simple > ML techniques come to mind for relevancy scoring, for example. Usage-based sorting? I don't like that in general, and it doesn't fit all situations.