From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:47:59 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> <873a03pmgn.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d3z7pfwc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <878w9v1k1v.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87r5nmo11z.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <1sq077-e9o.ln1@news.eternal-september.org> <8cv077-871.ln1@news.eternal-september.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268635744 627 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 06:49:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Riley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 07:48:59 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr46k-00011d-Le for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:48:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40296 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr46k-0004DJ-5M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:48:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr463-00044J-Sp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:48:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54484 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr45w-00041y-MA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:48:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr45r-0007pH-4b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:48:08 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.206]:59785) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr45q-0007oo-L5; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:48:03 -0400 Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.50]) by tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o2F6lxNI023009; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:47:59 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.16] [10.29.19.16]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:47:59 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.113.131] [10.114.113.131]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:47:59 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 648E452E215; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:47:59 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <8cv077-871.ln1@news.eternal-september.org> (Richard Riley's message of "Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:06:28 +0100") Original-Lines: 29 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121990 Archived-At: Richard Riley writes: > You keep calling things that are pretty obvious and core to UI design > issues "flimsy" while offering little in objection. I guess your mind is > made up. And you keep throwing up random unsubstantiated hand-waving as if it's somehow authoritative. > Frankly I am surprised you think its "flimsy" to make it consistent > with the vast majority of other desktop applications. I call it very > important. Consistency is sometimes important, but it's not some kind of magic powder that always grants merit. The question (as Richard pointed out) is whether "consistency" is actually _important_ in _this_ case. It may indeed be, but so far nobody has provided any real support for that position other than vague hand-waving, and I think there's been equally good support for the opposition position (not saying a whole lot, I admit). Granted, vague hand-waving is rife in the HCI field, but it's no more convincing for that. -Miles -- Youth, n. The Period of Possibility, when Archimedes finds a fulcrum, Cassandra has a following and seven cities compete for the honor of endowing a living Homer.