From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Keybinding nit Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:43:06 +0900 Message-ID: References: <85d58p7hyu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87zmbti4zh.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161568134 6359 80.91.229.2 (23 Oct 2006 01:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 23 03:48:53 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gboud-0004hz-NM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:47:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbouc-0003o7-VE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:47:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GbouM-0003iF-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:47:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GbouI-0003eZ-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:47:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbouI-0003eG-2Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.180.232.81] (helo=mgate01.necel.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbouG-0005iT-0B; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:47:12 -0400 Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com (relay21 [10.29.19.50]) by mgate01.necel.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9N0Vtmd017639; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:47:08 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:47:08 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.97.235] [10.114.97.235]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:47:08 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 2D95C3BE; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:43:07 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Kevin Rodgers System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Kevin Rodgers's message of "Thu\, 19 Oct 2006 10\:53\:57 -0600") Original-Lines: 28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:61014 Archived-At: Kevin Rodgers writes: >> Well at least historically, I suppose one reason is because such >> combinations (control + shift) don't work on ttys. > > But that's not what Peter wrote; he's using the same `C-x' prefix > in all cases, just varying the case of the final key: Hmmm, good point... :-) In that case I'd just offer a weaker reason: It's annoying to type key sequences where the two components use _different_ modifier keys. Indeed, even MOD + NO-MOD sequences can be a problem, as it's quite easy to mis-time releasing the modifier key when typing quickly (I very often mistype "C-x b" as "C-x C-b"); MOD + DIFFERENT-MOD would be even worse. [It might be tempting to answer "Well, just don't type those sequences quickly!" but I find such admonitions simply don't work well in practice -- people will slow down eventually because they'll get annoyed at all the times they mistype, but then they'll be annoyed too, and I think inherently annoying key-sequences should be avoided. :-] -Miles -- "Nah, there's no bigger atheist than me. Well, I take that back. I'm a cancer screening away from going agnostic and a biopsy away from full-fledged Christian." [Adam Carolla]