From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menu suggestion Date: 28 Apr 2004 15:46:44 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87wu40vgds.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083135775 31346 80.91.224.253 (28 Apr 2004 07:02:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 28 09:02:47 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIj5i-0002tt-00 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:02:46 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIj5i-0007Qm-00 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:02:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIj2h-0004Oy-3F for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:59:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIj2Z-0004NT-L9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIitU-0002ez-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:50:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.32.8.214] (helo=TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIiqW-00028y-JR; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp (mailgate53.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.161] (may be forged)) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id i3S6kmh18344; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:46:48 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id i3S6kli19485; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:46:47 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edtmg01.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.16.201]) by mailsv4.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id i3S6kkX11972; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:46:46 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edtmg01.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3S6kiZw002470; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:46:45 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15 (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id i3S6kinX024565; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:46:44 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 3376C4DF; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:46:44 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Juri Linkov System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <87wu40vgds.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Original-Lines: 23 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22288 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22288 Juri Linkov writes: > I am eager to achieve maximum efficiency in Emacs editing, but I don't > see how an asymmetrical layout of C-f C-b C-n C-p C-a C-e C-v M-v is > better for cursor motion than logically placed arrow keys: I guess you probably don't touch-type then, right? When touch-typing, it's far more important that the movement keys be easy to reach without moving your hand excessively, than for them to be a pattern that's nice to look it. If you're _just_ moving the cursor around, then you can keep your hand over the arrow keys, and you'll do alright -- but if you're typing _and_ moving, the cursor keys suck, because they're way off in the middle of nowhere (yes, even on a laptop). The emacs movement keys, OTOH, are quite convenient for use when typing. [This is slightly less true for `new style' keyboards with the control key way down in the left bottom corner, but then anyone with any sense remaps it to the proper position to the left of the A key anyway.] -Miles -- I'd rather be consing.