From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Short explanation for & in key ! of dired Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:30:50 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87hcbkpo0e.fsf@gmail.com> <86y74wzeq1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <874p7ifonh.fsf@jurta.org> <853an2oupp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214382687 6272 80.91.229.12 (25 Jun 2008 08:31:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Daniel Clemente , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: joakim@verona.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 25 10:32:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KBQQ7-0005vW-In for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:32:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51047 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KBQPH-00008H-Q3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:31:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KBQPA-000079-VN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:31:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KBQP8-0008WB-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:31:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35591 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KBQP7-0008W8-T9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.206]:60658) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KBQP0-0007lH-7W; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.46]) by tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m5P8UP6E004182; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:30:51 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.16] [10.29.19.16]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:30:51 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.112.215] [10.114.112.215]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:30:51 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 27DB4429; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:30:51 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (joakim@verona.se's message of "Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:19:27 +0200") Original-Lines: 29 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99901 Archived-At: joakim@verona.se writes: > & gimp RET > > I'd be happier! But, ok, thats my use-case, and I dont really know how > other people use dired. That's exactly what I want too. When backgrounding, I'm almost always running some gui app; I do not care about stdout/stderr, and Emacs clumsy handling of background processes (only one at a time unless you fiddle with things) is pretty annoying. The current behavior of backgrounding seems vaguely anacronistic, maybe from a time when people didn't use a window system. Incidentally, many gnome apps are extremely sloppy about their output -- if you run them from a terminal you get tons of random debugging junk (which doesn't for the most part seem to reflect any observable problem). This is for standard released apps. It seems that they are expected to normally be run in an environment where such output is discarded. -miles -- The automobile has not merely taken over the street, it has dissolved the living tissue of the city. Its appetite for space is absolutely insatiable; moving and parked, it devours urban land, leaving the buildings as mere islands of habitable space in a sea of dangerous and ugly traffic. [James Marston Fitch, New York Times, 1 May 1960]