From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: new *Help* argument highlighting Date: 13 May 2004 10:18:45 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040510223059.AE6F.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> <20040511155531.7604.JMBARRANQUERO@wke.es> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084411427 10886 80.91.224.253 (13 May 2004 01:23:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 13 03:23:41 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BO4wm-0002Zp-00 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:23:40 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BO4wm-0005PN-00 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:23:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BO4wY-0001ql-UV for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:23:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BO4tz-00011G-UP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BO4sR-0007tD-DE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:19:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.32.8.214] (helo=TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BO4sP-0007rI-VL; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp (mailgate54.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.197]) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id i4D1Iqp10603; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:18:52 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id i4D1Ipr04203; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:18:51 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edtmg03.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.16.203]) by mailsv5.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id i4D1Ioa00317; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:18:50 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edtmg03.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4D1IlnA018464; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:18:48 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15 (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id i4D1IjaQ015126; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:18:46 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 86B0C4563; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:18:45 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Stefan Monnier System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23290 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23290 Stefan Monnier writes: > If someone comes up with an actual use for those changes (rather than just > minor aesthetics tweaks), maybe I can buy them, but as it stands I find it > just a waste of effort. > Especially since experience on gnu.emacs.help seems to indicate that most > users don't spend that much time and effort reading docstrings. > > The current convention is simple and safe, and as far as I can tell it's > quite sufficient as well. The changes discussed here seem to be about > a new convention which is not simple, and more importantly not safe. I kinda agree -- but _if_ we _do_ change to a new variable notation, it should be something extensible like @var{...}, not yet-another magic quote notation. That at least provides a path for easier future enhancements. -Miles -- o The existentialist, not having a pillow, goes everywhere with the book by Sullivan, _I am going to spit on your graves_.