From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Marking with the mouse Date: 11 Sep 2003 10:30:54 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87ad9cl9ly.fsf@emacswiki.org> <3F5FB4DF.3090907@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1063244474 18471 80.91.224.253 (11 Sep 2003 01:41:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 11 03:41:13 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19xGSP-0004Nn-00 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:41:13 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19xGT0-00066Z-00 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:41:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xGSD-0004yg-VB for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:41:01 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19xGRc-0004qJ-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19xGRa-0004pq-9m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:40:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.22) id 19xGPq-0004DG-U2; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:38:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.32.8.214] (helo=TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xGIZ-0000Do-LY; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:31:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp (mailgate53.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.192]) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id h8B1Uvj27148; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:30:57 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv.nec.co.jp (mailgate51.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.190]) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id h8B1Uv921023; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:30:57 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edsgm02.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.50.208.12]) by mailsv.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id h8B1Uus28195; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:30:56 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edsgm02.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.9.3p2+3.2W/3.7W_EDC_Ver.1.0) with ESMTP id KAA20188; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:30:56 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.9/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id h8B1Utbo023799; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:30:55 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id E741D3727; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:30:54 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Kevin Rodgers System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <3F5FB4DF.3090907@yahoo.com> Original-Lines: 30 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16285 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16285 Kevin Rodgers writes: > I'm the original complainer Stefan mentioned, and here's my complaint: > > (1) and (2) as above. Type `C-h'. Highlighting disappears. Any keyboard > input -- even a prefix key! -- removes the highlighting. Why? > > If you set track-mouse (like my follow-mode.el package does), even unbound > mouse-movement events now have the same effect. I also think it's a problem that the various special features that use transient-mark-mode -- such as query-replace only with in the region -- are not normally available via mouse-highlighting. I suspect many people that hate transient-mark-mode because of its interaction with `set-mark-command' would like using those features (especially the region-specific replace, it's extremely handy). In general it's confusing that there are two different sorts of highlighting in emacs that look very similar but also differ in major ways. Stefan's suggested change would lessen this difference in a way that I believe wouldn't be overly burdensome to non-t-m-m people. Yeah, Alex specifically said he doesn't like it, but it's only one line of code to add a variable to allow disabling the linkage (but the default should be to enable it). -Miles -- o The existentialist, not having a pillow, goes everywhere with the book by Sullivan, _I am going to spit on your graves_.