From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: suggested feature -- console-mode frame title sets Xterm title Date: 14 Oct 2003 16:29:27 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20030929051617.GB7359@vexed.ozlabs.hp.com> <20031002063338.GA25969@vexed.ozlabs.hp.com> <20031003010404.GB1259@sourcefrog.net> <20031014035931.GH15872@vexed.ozlabs.hp.com> <20031014071535.GM15872@vexed.ozlabs.hp.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1066116940 3999 80.91.224.253 (14 Oct 2003 07:35:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 14 09:35:38 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A9JiU-00076p-00 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:35:38 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A9JiU-0001Vy-00 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:35:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9Jf4-0001uK-QX for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:32:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A9Jdq-0001Ye-7w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:30:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A9JdJ-0001Ox-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:30:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [210.143.35.52] (helo=TYO202.gate.nec.co.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9Jcj-0001E0-DV; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:29:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp (mailgate54.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.193]) by TYO202.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id h9E7TYl22888; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:29:34 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv5.nec.co.jp (mailgate51.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.190]) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id h9E7TWY07323; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:29:32 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edsgm02.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.50.208.12]) by mailsv5.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id h9E7TVo27426; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:29:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edsgm02.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.9.3p2+3.2W/3.7W_EDC_Ver.1.0) with ESMTP id QAA02869; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:29:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id h9E7TS7Q004436; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:29:30 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 91CBF37EA; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:29:28 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Martin Pool System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <20031014071535.GM15872@vexed.ozlabs.hp.com> Original-Lines: 32 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17080 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17080 Martin Pool writes: > Some people like to have information in the title bar that won't fit > in their modeline. I'm confused -- is there actually any question that this is a useful feature? I'm constantly annoyed by `full screen' programs in terminal emulators that _don't_ update the titlebar; it's a very useful feature, above and beyond the mode-line. > > How about if we have an option that would cause Emacs to either use > > the F names (default) or the new names you implemented. If it > > uses F, that name will be displayed on the mode line, as today; > > otherwise, the name will be displayed in the xterm's title and be > > removed from the mode line. > > OK. > > Should this be a separate variable, or just controlled by > tty-frame-use-title? Should it be on by default? That seems silly; why not just do _both_? The `Fn' notation doesn't take up much room in the mode-line, and is simply _different_ information that the actual title. They're both handy. So why not introduce the concept of a `frame index' and display F%d of that in the mode-line on terminals (hell some people might want to display it in X too -- it's just a generally handy concept, given that the emacs frame commands tend to cycle through frames in order). [I _think_ this is the last possibility you suggested in your original post] -miles -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.