From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:16 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <838w5dgln1.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3updqup.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa8bx9p.fsf@telefonica.net> <83sk3kg3fj.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279272337 14303 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 09:25:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uday S Reddy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 11:25:36 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZhAl-0000PM-51 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:25:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41608 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZhAk-0004AX-46 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:25:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51076 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZhAa-00049M-7K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:25:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZhAX-0000Zp-Sg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]:33461) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZhAX-0000Z8-AO; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:25:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.197]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o6G9PIQO007078; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:18 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id o6G9PIb11849; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:18 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay21.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.50]) by vgate02.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id o6G9PH914153; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:17 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay41.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.103] [10.29.19.103]) by relay21.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:17 +0900 Original-Received: from dhlpc061 ([10.114.113.142] [10.114.113.142]) by relay41.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:17 +0900 Original-Received: by dhlpc061 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 2544F52E222; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:25:17 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Uday S. Reddy's message of "Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:37 +0100") Original-Lines: 18 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127418 Archived-At: Uday S Reddy writes: > Just as Eclipse is kind to Emacs-users, I think Emacs should be kind to > Eclipse-users too, and Windows-users and KDE-users and what have > you. Obstinacy doesn't do us any good. Yeah, but Emacs _is_ kind to those users, to the extent that it's practical and reasonable. E.g., cua-mode, the addition of shift-select (on by default), etc. The problem with Tom's "proposal" is that he seems to want Emacs to make a complete wholesale change to a different (and inferior, but that's not really the issue) set of bindings, and that's _not_ practical or reasonable. -Miles -- Congratulation, n. The civility of envy.