From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Divergence in menu appearance between Emacs Info and standalone Info Date: 06 Jun 2003 11:02:00 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200306041404.h54E4SO30552@f7.net> <5x8ysg6p4r.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200306052323.h55NNr4B002965@rum.cs.yale.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054864978 7899 80.91.224.249 (6 Jun 2003 02:02:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 06 04:02:57 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19O6ZF-00023G-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:02:57 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19O6ra-0008DB-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:21:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19O6at-0001KR-GX for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:04:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19O6a0-0000ax-FX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:03:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19O6Ys-0008L0-6J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:02:36 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo202.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.202]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19O6Yg-00089y-A1; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:02:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.195])h56223020356; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:02:03 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv.nec.co.jp (mailgate52.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.191]) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id h56222526450; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:02:02 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edtmg04.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.17.201]) by mailsv.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id h56222J24171; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:02:02 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) id LAA12110; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:02:01 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) with ESMTP id h56220NH011569; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:02:00 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 4B06D3732; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:02:00 +0900 (JST) Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14809 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14809 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > You probably don't have any trouble writing good Texinfo, but I have > read too much bad documentation to like an output format that does not > help a novice writer understand Texinfo. You're not making much sense here; how does the verbiage surrounding traditional info xrefs help a novice writer understand Texinfo? The extra verbiage _does_ make info documents harder to read as simple documents, which for the great majority of users (who aren't texinfo authors) is the crucial point. [and note that Kim's code doesn't change texinfo into html -- links still have a standard textual form, simply one that's less intrusive than the traditional form] -Miles -- "Though they may have different meanings, the cries of 'Yeeeee-haw!' and 'Allahu akbar!' are, in spirit, not actually all that different."