From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Semi-unhelpful error message given when trying to (provide 'CUA-mode) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:12:35 +0900 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148278438 11424 80.91.229.2 (22 May 2006 06:13:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 22 08:13:55 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi3fm-0002iH-Gk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:13:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi3fl-0004dt-Rq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:13:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi3en-0003RB-L9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi3el-0003NV-9P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi3ek-0003Mc-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:12:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.180.232.83] (helo=mgate03.necel.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fi3ib-0004TX-J6; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:16:42 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com (relay11 [10.29.19.46]) by mgate03.necel.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M66jJf020079; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:12:36 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:12:35 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.97.235] [10.114.97.235]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:12:35 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 908865A1; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:12:35 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Alan Mackenzie System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sat, 20 May 2006 16:44:57 +0000 (GMT)") Original-Lines: 20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55007 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: >>F10 exists, and the menu bar is displayed by default. So the menu is >>clearly intended to be used by tty users as well. > > The menu bar is stupidly displayed, yes, but there's no way to activate > its items. It's just a waste of space. I didn't actually know about the > F10 binding, though I do know M-`. The tty "menus" invoked by F10 on a tty are so clunky and annoying to use that I think most users will not want to use them. Morever, I think in general we want to gently encourage people to become familiar with "Emacsy" ways to do things. I think Alan's change is a good one. -Miles -- `Suppose Korea goes to the World Cup final against Japan and wins,' Moon said. `All the past could be forgiven.' [NYT]