From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: japanese vs. chinese fonts Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:27:10 +0900 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp-2 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222932455 22858 80.91.229.12 (2 Oct 2008 07:27:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Kenichi Handa Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 02 09:28:32 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KlIbv-0007it-RL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:28:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45353 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KlIas-0003zl-N6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:27:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KlIan-0003yt-CH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:27:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KlIak-0003xN-Ol for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:27:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57118 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KlIak-0003xB-Io for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:27:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:49352) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KlIah-0006RU-EK; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:27:15 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KlIag-0001Jr-BI; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:27:14 -0400 Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.54]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m927QoPP029276; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:27:12 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay31.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.20] [10.29.19.20]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:27:12 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.112.215] [10.114.112.215]) by relay31.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:27:11 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 6A0E23EC; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:27:11 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: (Kenichi Handa's message of "Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:49:01 +0900") Original-Lines: 36 X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104294 Archived-At: Kenichi Handa writes: >> -unknown-$BJ8@tqc@5$A:Z(B-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso10646-1 > > Ummm, isn't that font listed by this command? > % fc-list :lang=ja Hmm, you're right it does... but it also matches :lang=zh ... the debian package (ttf-wqy-zenhei) description says: "WenQuanYi Zen Hei" A Hei-Ti Style (sans-serif) Chinese font The reason I don't want it is because some of the glyphs look "weird", e.g., $B2=(B and $B8@(B (not entirely unrecognizable, just ... "weird"). It doesn't seem like a good default for japanese text to me. The debian description also says: This font provides full coverage of GBK (CP936) charset, CJK Unified Ideographs, as well as the code-points needed for zh_CN, zh_SG, zh_TW, zh_HK, zh_MO, ja (Japanese) and ko (Korean) locales for fontconfig. I guess it's the coverage which is why it matches :lang=ja (it also matches :lang=zh, whereas the various japanese fonts I have installed don't). What does :lang really mean, anyway? I guess for now I'll just un-install the font package, but I wonder if this is something that needs addressing somehow? -Miles -- Idiot, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling.