From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-l while in menu? Date: 26 Apr 2002 10:23:16 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019784479 32044 127.0.0.1 (26 Apr 2002 01:27:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, eliz@is.elta.co.il, keichwa@gmx.net, rms@gnu.org, gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 170uWl-0008Kj-00 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:27:59 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 170uZB-0001Wx-00 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:30:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170uWQ-0007l4-00; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:27:38 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.214]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170uTg-0007e7-00; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.193]) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id g3Q1NjV16169; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:23:45 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv.nec.co.jp (mailgate51.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.190]) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id g3Q1NcA25847; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:23:42 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.30.114.133]) by mailsv.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id g3Q1NPB25020; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:23:35 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.10.2+Sun/3.7Wlsi_mx_6.0) with ESMTP id g3Q1NHg13929; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:23:17 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id D95A63723; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:23:16 +0900 (JST) Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 20 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3278 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3278 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > I do find that I have to turn the tops of my hands outward to bring > my pinkies inwards enough to push on the far lower left and far lower > right keys -- an awkward, unpleansant, and hurtful action. Me too; whoever moved the ctrl key down to the corner like that should be hunted down and forced to type C-A 10,000,000 times. [Who is responsible, anyway? I remember when most keyboards changed to the current layout in the 80s, people mumbled about some `european ergonomic standard' (conducted on aliens apparently) being responsible for this travesty but it's IBM and DEC keyboards that I remember changing first.] Um, sorry to be so off-topic. The crappy state of keyboards is a sore point with me... Luckily at work I use a `Happy Hacking' keyboard! -Miles -- Is it true that nothing can be known? If so how do we know this? -Woody Allen