From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: emacs -Q option Date: 09 Feb 2004 18:22:28 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87ad3y6l2a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <9003-Thu05Feb2004211456+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> <87wu6znx3a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87wu6yujeo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87llncn0nx.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87isighbds.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1076318856 3272 80.91.224.253 (9 Feb 2004 09:27:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 09 10:27:28 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Aq7hQ-00082p-00 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 10:27:28 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Aq7hQ-0007Gy-00 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 10:27:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Aq7el-0003Gk-9O for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 04:24:43 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1Aq7dX-0002X8-VN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 04:23:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1Aq7cq-0001JA-Oz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 04:23:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [202.32.8.214] (helo=TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Aq7cp-0001EH-Ub; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 04:22:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.161]) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id i199MV919233; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:22:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id i199MVL09317; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:22:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edtmg04.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.17.201]) by mailsv.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id i199MUl27082; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:22:30 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edtmg04.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.9.3p2+3.2W/3.7W_EDC_Ver.1.0) with ESMTP id SAA02015; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:22:29 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15 (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id i199MSnX004419; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:22:28 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 549E8446; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:22:28 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Juri Linkov System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <87isighbds.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Original-Lines: 25 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:19820 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:19820 Juri Linkov writes: > > Is the speed of --help really an issue? > > It depends on the purpose of --help: seems it is useful mostly when > the user wants to start Emacs from the command line and forgets the > syntax of some options. In this case the speed of --help is really > important for users. I'd think in this case, accuracy would be rather _more_ important, as long as --help isn't `excessively' slow -- and dynamically generating --help improves accuracy. As for what `excessively slow' is, my opinion is that 1 second to display --help on a typical machine would be absolutely fine; 10 seconds, well, maybe that would be too slow. On my machine: time emacs --batch -l ~/.emacs -f kill-emacs takes about 1.5 seconds (due mostly to my huge .emacs file). -Miles -- Ich bin ein Virus. Mach' mit und kopiere mich in Deine .signature.