From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: recenter-ratio (was: Re: Toolbars on MacOSX) Date: 13 May 2004 14:04:31 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040512.171251.91443934.mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> <87wu3h0wv6.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084424963 31036 80.91.224.253 (13 May 2004 05:09:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: steventamm@mac.com, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 13 07:09:18 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BO8T8-0001kb-00 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 07:09:18 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BO8T7-00021k-00 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 07:09:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BO8PH-0001KE-QP for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 01:05:19 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BO8PC-0001Jv-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 01:05:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BO8Og-0001Gn-2q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 01:05:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.32.8.202] (helo=TYO202.gate.nec.co.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BO8Of-0001GT-CQ; Thu, 13 May 2004 01:04:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp (mailgate54.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.195]) by TYO202.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id i4D54YY24897; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:04:34 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id i4D54Y928326; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:04:34 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edtmg01.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.16.201]) by mailsv4.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id i4D54X601083; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:04:33 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edtmg01.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4D54Vjl010904; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:04:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mctpc71 (mctpc71.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp [10.30.118.121]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id i4D54UaQ016169; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:04:30 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mctpc71 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 1DD59131FC; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:04:31 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Juri Linkov System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <87wu3h0wv6.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> Original-Lines: 18 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23300 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23300 Juri Linkov writes: > I must say that Apple human interface guidelines define very > well-researched principles of implementing the good user interfaces. Ha ha ha! Be careful -- Apple _used_ to be good at this sort of thing (or at least tried), but in recent years, they've seem to have simply gone nuts, and apparently just do whatever seems kewl at the moment. [One minor but irritating example: they switched to the windoze window-manager button layout which places the close button _right_ next to the minimize/maximize buttons -- and _removed the labels_ from the buttons when you're not mousing over them! Mouse slip? Whoops!] -Miles -- Occam's razor split hairs so well, I bought the whole argument!