From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:10:11 +0900 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87mypcn4od.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200803060349.m263nKHn002156@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204776634 5035 80.91.229.12 (6 Mar 2008 04:10:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 04:10:34 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 06 05:11:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JX7Rb-0006nE-Pm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:11:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JX7R4-0007WK-5W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:10:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JX7R0-0007W4-1k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:10:22 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JX7Qw-0007Vk-Pp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:10:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JX7Qw-0007Vh-LZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.193]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JX7Qs-0003o0-O4; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:10:15 -0500 Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.46]) by tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m264AApv026727; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:10:12 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from relay11.aps.necel.com ([10.29.19.16] [10.29.19.16]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:10:12 +0900 Original-Received: from dhapc248.dev.necel.com ([10.114.112.215] [10.114.112.215]) by relay11.aps.necel.com with ESMTP; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:10:12 +0900 Original-Received: by dhapc248.dev.necel.com (Postfix, from userid 31295) id 147F05E9; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:10:12 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <200803060349.m263nKHn002156@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:49:20 -0800") Original-Lines: 19 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91467 Archived-At: Dan Nicolaescu writes: > > .... and is a completely and utterly different interface, one which is > > hated by many, and arguably is extremely confusing for newbies. > > We must have different experiences: all the newbies that I've shown > iswitchb loved it. That's the main reason to propose this. I'm not saying that many people don't find it useful, simply that at first glance, if you aren't expecting it, it can be rather ... daunting. Of course, I suppose it's somewhat less so when one is given a personal introduction... There are many great features in Emacs which we probably don't want to spring on the unprepared. -Miles -- Is it true that nothing can be known? If so how do we know this? -Woody Allen