From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-z (Re: Two GTK related feature requests) Date: 29 Oct 2003 16:28:52 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87oew8so3g.fsf@cs.cmu.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067412920 16636 80.91.224.253 (29 Oct 2003 07:35:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 29 08:35:17 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AEkrN-0003Mm-00 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:35:17 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AEkrN-0005f6-00 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:35:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEkp7-0003ld-00 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:32:57 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AEkp1-0003j6-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:32:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AEkmz-00035d-V7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:31:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AEklU-0001g3-Ia; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:29:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [210.143.35.52] (helo=TYO202.gate.nec.co.jp) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEklJ-000615-7R; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:29:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp (mailgate54.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.193]) by TYO202.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id h9T7Ssl09319; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:28:54 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv3.nec.co.jp (mailgate52.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.198]) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id h9T7SrZ15608; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:28:53 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edtmg01.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.16.201]) by mailsv3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id h9T7SrY09259; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:28:53 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edtmg01.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.9.3p2+3.2W/3.7W_EDC_Ver.1.0) with ESMTP id QAA20910; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:28:52 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id h9T7Sp7Q010344; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:28:51 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id A262E3722; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:28:52 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Karl Eichwalder System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 23 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17538 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17538 Karl Eichwalder writes: > All hackers who speak up in this thread confirmed that they are using > redefinition for C-z - thus ther must be something flawed with the > current key binding ;) I admit, I often get confused if a use `emacs -q' and accidentally hit C-z (I usually think emacs crashed for a second). Also `C-x C-z' is really easy to type, so just plain C-z has very little advantage over it, except that it's slightly familiar to people running on tty that are used to other programs' use of C-z (OTOH, `C-x C-z' is pretty easy to remember -- it's the standard emacs prefix for such `system commands', followed by the standard unix suspend key). Given the scarcity of bindings, it's rather surprising that such a relatively-rarely used command is given _two_ easy-to-type-and-intuitive bindings... Maybe we should just bite the bullet and get rid of the current C-z binding on both ttys _and_ in X. -Miles -- We live, as we dream -- alone....