From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gud lord! Date: 09 Jun 2003 17:42:38 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20030609091728.2C7D.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> <20030609102605.2C83.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055148101 19668 80.91.224.249 (9 Jun 2003 08:41:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 09 10:41:40 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PIDj-000575-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:41:39 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19PIXf-0001Gz-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:02:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PIFs-0005oh-6t for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:43:52 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PIFT-0005kp-Am for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:43:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PIF3-00050c-Dm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.214]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PIEm-0004XC-9k; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:42:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.184])h598gfw29391; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:42:41 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv3.nec.co.jp (mailgate52.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.198]) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.6p2/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id h598gg204047; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:42:42 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edtmg02.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.26.16.202]) by mailsv3.nec.co.jp (8.11.6p2/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id h598gem28328; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:42:40 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) id RAA21847; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:42:40 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) with ESMTP id h598gcNH014239; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:42:39 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id AD7293732; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:42:38 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Juanma Barranquero System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <20030609102605.2C83.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> Original-Lines: 28 Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14943 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14943 Juanma Barranquero writes: > Funny, you seem to be arguing that: > 1) People should complain when they see something wrong, even if it's > a bit (or much) late. > 2) I should get used to this behavior, instead of complaining if I > feel is wrong :) Yeah, but complaining about a change probably does more good (because it often represents a real problem with the change, which should be fixed) than complaining about complaining (which arguably does harm). I understand your annoyance, but I think there are understandable, and hard-to-change, reasons for such after-the-fact complaints. Note that they aren't always due to simple tardiness, but sometimes because the import of a change simply wasn't apparent until it was actually done. On the specific issue of CVS logs, I kinda agree with you that Emacs' use of ChangeLog files makes it less of a problem than with some other projects. Actually my main complaints with moving files are slightly different: moving files around screws with patches and local changes, and patches made across a move end up being enormous.. -Miles -- "I distrust a research person who is always obviously busy on a task." --Robert Frosch, VP, GM Research