From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-l while in menu? Date: 23 Apr 2002 18:35:39 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204201727.g3KHRD401381@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220746.g3M7kvY01878@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220928.g3M9S9H32293@rum.cs.yale.edu> <3CC40A74.5040600@666.com> <3CC525C5.70400@666.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019554763 13995 127.0.0.1 (23 Apr 2002 09:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Pavel =?iso-8859-1?q?Jan=EDk?= , Stefan Monnier , Richard Stallman , gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16zwle-0003dc-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:39:22 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zwmm-0007Vy-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:40:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zwlU-0007jC-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:39:12 -0400 Original-Received: from tyo201.gate.nec.co.jp ([202.32.8.214]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zwjr-0007de-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:37:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate4.nec.co.jp ([10.7.69.195]) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id g3N9aeV12980; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:36:40 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mailsv4.nec.co.jp (mailgate51.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.190]) by mailgate4.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) with ESMTP id g3N9a5L27856; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:36:09 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.30.114.133]) by mailsv4.nec.co.jp (8.11.6/3.7W-MAILSV4-NEC) with ESMTP id g3N9Zir01298; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:35:46 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (mcspd15 [10.30.114.174]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.10.2+Sun/3.7Wlsi_mx_6.0) with ESMTP id g3N9Zeg09826; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:35:40 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (Postfix, from userid 31295) id CF9043723; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:35:39 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Ben Wing System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <3CC525C5.70400@666.com> Original-Lines: 16 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3084 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3084 Ben Wing writes: > the fact is that things work quite well when you have only a meta key. > e.g. meta+letter is an accelerator only when such a menu exists; > otherwise, you get the regular binding -- and even then you can > retrieve the shadowed binding with shift+meta+letter. Do people really like this? It sounds astonishly annoying to have random meta keys stolen by the menus, especially since emacs has many useful and common commands on M-letter keys. E.g., doesn't the `File' menu steal `M-f', the `Buffers' menu `M-b', etc.? I am skeptical ... -Miles -- .Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing.