From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default-face grow/shrink commands Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:16:22 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <877jvj7txp.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <877jv3no3e.fsf@emacswiki.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085365267 13074 80.91.224.253 (24 May 2004 02:21:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 02:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon May 24 04:20:59 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BS55H-0003OS-00 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 04:20:59 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BS55F-0001Xd-00 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 04:20:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BS54B-00009e-TC for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 22:19:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BS52K-0008Q7-UX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 22:17:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BS51k-0008DE-WC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 22:17:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.32.8.214] (helo=TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BS51j-0008Bx-Rt; Sun, 23 May 2004 22:17:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailgate3.nec.co.jp (mailgate53.nec.co.jp [10.7.69.160] (may be forged)) by TYO201.gate.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W01080315) with ESMTP id i4O2H6p01795; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:17:15 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by mailgate3.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILGATE-NEC) id i4O2H6t23562; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:17:06 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from edsgm01.lsi.nec.co.jp ([10.50.208.11]) by mailsv.nec.co.jp (8.11.7/3.7W-MAILSV-NEC) with ESMTP id i4O2H4301172; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:17:05 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edsgm01.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4O2H387008074; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:17:03 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from mctpc71 (mctpc71.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp [10.30.118.121]) by mcsss2.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.8/EDcg v2.01-mc/1046780839) with ESMTP id i4O2GMIm001041; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:16:42 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by mctpc71 (Postfix, from userid 31295) id AD09B36; Mon, 24 May 2004 11:16:22 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Alex Schroeder System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu Blat: Foop In-Reply-To: <877jv3no3e.fsf@emacswiki.org> (Alex Schroeder's message of "Sun, 23 May 2004 17:46:13 +0200") Original-Lines: 13 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23869 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23869 Alex Schroeder writes: > There's also a link between the face and the frame parameters, > so if you change the face, but somehow it no longer updates the frame > parameters, you might have conflicting states. To state it more bluntly, there's a confusing and ugly incestuous relationship between the default face and frame parameters. I'd _love_ to just tear the whole damn thing out and keep only faces, but I can't because it wouldn't be backward compatible. -Miles -- 97% of everything is grunge