From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debbugs testbed Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:46:25 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20080220021827.GR1092@rzlab.ucr.edu> <87skzof0yr.fsf@member.fsf.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203515222 15461 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 13:47:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:47:02 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 14:47:26 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRpI6-00043O-81 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:47:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRpHb-00055h-EQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRpHR-0004yB-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRpHQ-0004x3-QX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRpHQ-0004ws-N7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:36 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRpHQ-0000dD-0l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:36 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JRpHL-0003IA-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:46:32 +0000 Original-Received: from 30.red-83-52-53.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.52.53.30]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:46:31 +0000 Original-Received: from ofv by 30.red-83-52-53.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:46:31 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 44 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 30.red-83-52-53.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jn4bgImumw6Sk44PmOVlRAgoooY= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89684 Archived-At: Tassilo Horn writes: >> First: it has no web interface for filling bugs: an easy and intuitive >> interface for users is paramount. > > Reading through http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/Reporting I don't see > any reason that would hinder us to setup a simple web page for filing > bug reports with a browser. I'm afraid that the web interface is more complex than what you think. Its list of components, versions, maintainers, etc. must be in sync with those that emacs uses, and this creates some nasty maintenance work. > The same applies to creating an emacs interface. > >> Second: IMO, it is complex. Look at what you are expected to read just >> for sending a bug: >> >> http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/Reporting > > I disagree. The page explains in length what you should consider when > writing a bug report at all, the package, its version, a descriptive > subject, how to assign the bug to the correct component, etc. It must explain this because there are no intuitive guides. On a web form (or a sophiticated Emacs form) there are a series of visible fields that you are expected to fill, plus you can put checks to ensure that the user fills all required information. If you have not this, you need to resort to lengthy descriptions as those mentioned above. > If you specify these informations on a web page or you have to write > some pseudo headers in your mail makes no such big difference. No need for such lengthy explanations on a decent web form. Take a look at http://trac.edgewall.org/newticket and please tell me what is not clear to you (and that is a complex incarnation of the Trac system). -- Oscar