From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-28 2c6a94c5b8: ; Correct the meaning of "cf." in tips.texi Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 10:04:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <165908066777.10020.10943301720600410977@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220729074428.12D06C00095@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30620"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_N=C4=9Bmec?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 29 12:08:02 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oHMuY-0007ik-0x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:08:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46962 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oHMuX-0000qe-3u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2022 06:08:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oHMrg-0007uS-Pw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2022 06:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:55588) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oHMre-0001vm-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2022 06:05:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1659089100; bh=fV6HKETCQca4P+3ufjliwIa6/ZlSwpM8WmxsACb7Sy0=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=LubSIUm44tyyMulusS1QaOf4GFZWGTP6zrim7j2TZgx9fWvuvJXOuU6PiyYu94ATn vsrI4ftZlfSgxmaAEQ41uIj5GUoyaCsexYvQpvmo9QUO2L8fpAvi5TulXjcToIY2Op khzWEUcpQ2xMBK7r3QqxxsBXKCMefpfnl9fZu0uFmBiyjER2QWfsWxxekqltKW1XMS 8P2//tWcsOaVYvDuB2BuqORDSjGZ1UgaQ9X+wR9/hrOPFIDpreC56lfAEEjy7hGtsY TQDrZgDm2dsI0XIFUkzC9Lvk4bLqO7l1C48kBNd2lLVat/MdHJnnP9dA6TMq03hZc1 Z3UBihDV8B1bA== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:292823 Archived-At: >> Try to avoid using abbreviations such as ``e.g.'' (for ``for >> example''), ``i.e.'' (for ``that is''), ``no.'' (for ``number''), >> -``cf.'' (for ``in contrast to'') and ``w.r.t.'' (for ``with respect >> +``cf.'' (for ``compare''/``see also'') and ``w.r.t.'' (for ``with respect >> to'') as much as possible. It is almost always clearer and easier to >> read the expanded version.@footnote{We do use these occasionally, but >> try not to overdo it.} > > I'm not sure about this change: > > - I don't think "see also" is correct. > > - In Bug#40011, I quote Writing for Computer Science by Justin Zobel > (2004), which says: > The reference on these matters is the CMOS, in which "cf." is defined as follows (section 10.43, p. 505): "{\it confer}, compare ("see, by way of comparison"; should not be used when {\it see} alone is meant)".