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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249534 Archived-At: On 09.05.2020 19:05, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 18:53:10 +0300 >> >> Cannot enable what? > > Font-lock and indentation based on those capabilities, for one. Neither is part of the LSP protocol, so Eglot doesn't do this (yet). LSP at the moment provides more "advances" features: code completion, navigation and documentation. In short, it's a replacement for etags and the manual. For all supported languages. For these two features in particular, we might want to pick a TreeSitter based solution anyway, because that one at least could allow us to continue writing grammars in Emacs, instead of entirely relying on external programs to keep up-to-date and complete grammars. >> Eglot is in ELPA. Have you tried it? > > No. Not enough time, sorry. It shouldn't take a lot of time. There's no hurry, though. >> None of these discussions say "oh, if only Eglot was in the core instead >> of GNU ELPA, that would solve my problems". I haven't seen a single >> opinion like that. > > I said nothing about moving Eglot to the core. It was João, not > myself. I'd be happy if we could have these capabilities that > depended on Eglot (or any other package, really) being installed. We > could figure out the rest later. Eglot is as feature-rich now when installed as a package as it could be, I think. And it's worth taking a look.