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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270590 Archived-At: > Oh boy, I see my use of the term "fashion" has really tipped > people's sensitivities. It was rather the use of the idiom "We can use hacks like this one". I see `open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start' as a way to subdivide code into chunks that may be edited and processed independently. Currently, we use a monolithic approach (one that works on the whole buffer from its beginning) for fontification and a chunk-wise approach (as in the default `beginning-of-defun') for editing proper. I do not like, for example, that inserting a quotation mark somewhere into a Lisp buffer, with some delay repaints the entire rest of the buffer just to undo that when I insert the closing quotation mark. Maybe these are bad editing habits but I won't change them any more. So for me `open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start' is not a hack but an entire philosophy which, unfortunately, doesn't work with fontification. martin