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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261011 Archived-At: On 16.12.2020 17:33, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> - When making an Emacs X.YZ release, we require that every "external" >> package has a tag emacs-xyz in its repository, and we pull in and >> package that version. >> >> - In the very same file in Emacs' tree that the repositories with >> external packages will be listed, we also list the corresponding >> revisions that will go into the upcoming release. >> >> The latter is essentially the "git modules" model, which we can also >> use. > > I think, if the above suits us (see my other message in this thread), > we should indeed use "git submodule". Perhaps. And since it's a standard model with a checkout inside the worktree, it should be easy to integrate in the build script, and it might even solve the future problem of how to depend on the code in a bundled package. >> One advantage it has is that the package author forgotten to push a >> tag for some Emacs release, we're still covered. > > You mean, advantage compared to using submodules? If so, I don't > think I see how submodules are different in this regard. No, compared to the first option (external repos having special tags).