From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 23:46:41 +0300 Message-ID: References: <1ca462fa-0f9e-3c18-6386-f43f49388b2f@gmail.com> <20200907180812.5tfylspp7i6vl4o3@Ergus> <94fda087-a61b-356d-4bb4-791907593246@yandex.ru> <24302cf8-5ac8-4abd-83ce-3e33c51a8beb@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29924"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams , Ergus , Nicola Manca Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 22:47:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO33-0007hb-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:47:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52976 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO32-0008A9-Ls for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:47:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42460) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO2J-0007Ct-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:46:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::235]:47040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO2H-0005Ic-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:46:47 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id a22so11015059ljp.13 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 13:46:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/yhOH/si0W8T/z38bSvkdA53ty5+IEKxlCcgl1nRN1o=; b=ICanSPW5wK0yDvW6a63hmqR+TxdeyfCJaUgPCOkVR4WIcH9XE/R7PpHw89Ufrw7jE5 TL6ETeueHA97eg/smtjdR+7PVaDyVe6REf6kobVGVkw4X6rRkQ4Ohi6kJ3yKUqxsG6L/ 6233TPDbhNgsjHSn5hj2eSIAL+9c5OkLLY0/s9iKZ0T7V7y86/Edvj8vlBKjuZsNuHnu OKupRBU5CQqXvAeM3DgPDKWlESb84fFrwEK/7BUws/A/sQ87pNcc2TEF+Z2AUITGVxTS nvCMAIdx2cisoSfibRlpQP3k2qHxnQuDdmEzOD6cOvue22iZPK61gFH9/4+nVF2KCoCX p5TA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/yhOH/si0W8T/z38bSvkdA53ty5+IEKxlCcgl1nRN1o=; b=WPFc4KBuZIpYGmPoY588R8X3iA1yVMCzI+uA7JPhGCbGzI+RgMErn/49mePZI1hBV2 Zk6GEAyo8EXgaokDcHe/+zd0zwChLyY66yLG0VJnGDsqCB13WJ7tGEXA8kunoQVISY13 alwoG+Pkd7VNhcVUPxHysxCBuJOBBxttpZjloQe5dM+YFYsiUUwS6kGva/yAOs1C14aM AI1CeXrfSwA3mcJVEkgEkb2mQGq4rI3P8GP6r/4ezDFuK0FgZlTtrqcubk6W3eJcKwga 6LCRs2vT6SvwvyK9+U3yvvmyHRyDeZA4jpoQQdnQOOUbd7W76NJlA+g4bMUrjyauGJmD hGkA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533xOBcix3QcgE/5zTVNmrlv6hGoMOP68tAjniTq0J5p6jG1qJ7k ayFY7Gzo8d7ogwEsgBsl7CRmIl+ub+s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJykwp3VpoCfvMWAJQrMmpwdnTm0fj3cJhFIcOBTCk1/sNTm+sUeoHpB33r7RDrP32xXKdUHlw== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b6d1:: with SMTP id m17mr3034496ljo.451.1599511603280; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 13:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.104] ([94.229.108.16]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k12sm7967838ljh.95.2020.09.07.13.46.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Sep 2020 13:46:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24302cf8-5ac8-4abd-83ce-3e33c51a8beb@default> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::235; envelope-from=raaahh@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x235.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -32 X-Spam_score: -3.3 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.825, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254676 Archived-At: On 07.09.2020 23:34, Drew Adams wrote: > Why on earth would we do that? Emacs undo > is superior. undo-tree is superior. The default undo is mostly tedious. It's also more limited UI-wise.