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[212.31.107.118]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 202sm4590358wmo.7.2016.03.08.10.11.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:11:19 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 In-Reply-To: <83h9ggrgp6.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201187 Archived-At: On 03/08/2016 08:02 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It is easy to ask someone to fix a mistake in a file and push the > change. With the current system, fixing mistakes requires a much more > complex procedure, and also screws up merges to master. And who's going to be that person who carefully reviews every ChangeLog entry? Fixing them yourself right away might actually be easier than messaging the commit authors every time, for each mistake. Even if that involves a "more complex" upfront procedure for each correction session. > IME, it's hard to be part of a project that ignores repeated requests > to fix something you believe must be fixed. Many of us some have such things (ignored, or closed as wontfix, bug reports, for instance).