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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266973 Archived-At: On 24.03.2021 13:13, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > the "newcomers" on the other, pushing their > new, shiny idea and frustrated that "progress is impossible" > at every (often well-founded!) pushback Except these conversations much too often pit 20-year-old ideas against 40-year-old special bespoke Emacs ideas. But I guess you could still call them shiny.