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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312409 Archived-At: On 09/11/2023 15:36, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > (i) cl--compiler-macro-list*; completely undocumented. > (ii) cl--simple-expr-p: Talks about "side effects", but not what they > are side effects of. Doesn't describe it's parameters or return > value. It's unclear what it is that "executes quickly". > (iii) cl--expr-contains: It's unclear what X and Y are, and what "refers > to" means. > (iv) cl--expr-contains-any; completely undocumented. > (v) cl--expr-depends-p: It's unclear what X and Y are, though Y appears > to be some sort of container of symbols. It's unclear what sort of > "dependency" the function handles, or what "may" means in the context. These aren't public-facing functions, though. Adding docs wouldn't hurt, but it's not like these could be removed due to the absence of them (that should depend on which public callers they have).