From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Add some aliases for re-related functions
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <badeb294-f773-44c7-a18a-643e09debd3a@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGK7Mr4Bw2u6L4P3Ow9epen8a6CKvzz0BRn=aqUjopD9wKqFBQ@mail.gmail.com>
> > > You make it sound like because naming is hard
> > > bad names are ok
> >
> > How did I make it sound like that to you?
>
> By systematically showing examples where it's
> impossible and always rejecting proposals.
> Also your tone while your say this kinda imply
> this is a futile endeavor. Maybe it's just me
> misintepretating tho.
I'm not in any position to reject anything.
Eli is the maintainer.
I may have disagreed with this or that.
Just one opinion. Agreement and disagreement,
with accompanying arguments, are normal.
> > If you look at the particular half-kidding examples
> > I showed, you might see that they're not screwball.
> > Nearly all of them are perfectly reasonable. And
> > that's the point of showing them.
> >
> > With a command such as `flush-lines', if we want to
> > prefix the name, just what is a good prefix?
> >
> > Is the command mostly about lines (the type of data
> > acted on), so perhaps use prefix `lines-'?
> >
> > Is it mostly about regexp-matching/searching, so
> > perhaps use prefix `re-'?
> >
> > Is it mostly about deleting text, so perhaps use
> > prefix `delete-' (as in one of its aliases)?
>
> First of all let's agree that nobody here proposed
> to rename flush-lines.
Fine.
> Anyway, if we had to do it I think all your categories
> are weak IMHO, sure it touches the concept of lines,
> regexp and deleting
I was trying to imagine renamings based on the things
involved, which I thought was what is behind, say,
renaming functions that are, as you said,
"string-related APIs", to have prefix `string-' (and
similarly for regexp-related APIs).
> but fundamentally it's about modifying buffers.
It's about modifying buffer content (only - nothing
else about buffers). OK.
> If I had to name it it'd be:
>
> keep-lines -> buffer-keep-lines
> flush-lines -> buffer-flush-lines
OK. So for you the most relevant thing involved
is the buffer. Can you imagine that some might
think something else is more relevant/helpful?
That's the point (one of the points): which word
to use as prefix - what's the main point/effect
of the function? What term will users want to
look for first or type first? (And other
considerations.)
> With more finesse I could argue for
> `buffer-modif-select` and `buffer-modif-reject`
> but I'd probably lose you ;-)
Don't worry about losing me. I'm not important.
Just try imagining that what's "obvious" to you
might be open to different judgments. And naming
is very much a judgment call - a balancing act.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-04 17:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-02 18:28 Add some aliases for re-related functions Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:43 ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 21:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:27 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 8:33 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-03 19:07 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-02 19:48 ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 20:13 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 21:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-02 21:51 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 9:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-03 15:00 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 22:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-04 10:07 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:20 ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-03 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 21:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 22:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-05-02 22:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 23:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 3:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 0:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 3:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:44 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 3:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 4:37 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 8:05 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 9:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-03 10:26 ` tomas
2020-05-03 15:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 19:47 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 7:32 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 8:20 ` Sending plaintext with Gmail (was: Add some aliases for re-related functions) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 8:45 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 15:09 ` Sending plaintext with Gmail Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:25 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 15:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05 8:13 ` HTML display in Gnus (was: Sending plaintext with Gmail) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-05 8:24 ` HTML display in Gnus Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05 9:26 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-07-17 17:14 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 15:39 ` Sending plaintext with Gmail Andreas Schwab
2020-05-04 16:51 ` Add some aliases for re-related functions Drew Adams
2020-05-04 17:10 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-05-04 18:17 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 18:33 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-05 2:48 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 10:16 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:04 ` Richard Stallman
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