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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Add some aliases for re-related functions
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <badeb294-f773-44c7-a18a-643e09debd3a@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGK7Mr4Bw2u6L4P3Ow9epen8a6CKvzz0BRn=aqUjopD9wKqFBQ@mail.gmail.com>

> > > You make it sound like because naming is hard
> > > bad names are ok
> >
> > How did I make it sound like that to you?
>
> By systematically showing examples where it's
> impossible and always rejecting proposals.
> Also your tone while your say this kinda imply
> this is a futile endeavor. Maybe it's just me
> misintepretating tho.

I'm not in any position to reject anything.
Eli is the maintainer.

I may have disagreed with this or that.
Just one opinion.  Agreement and disagreement,
with accompanying arguments, are normal.

> > If you look at the particular half-kidding examples
> > I showed, you might see that they're not screwball.
> > Nearly all of them are perfectly reasonable.  And
> > that's the point of showing them.
> >
> > With a command such as `flush-lines', if we want to
> > prefix the name, just what is a good prefix?
> >
> > Is the command mostly about lines (the type of data
> > acted on), so perhaps use prefix `lines-'?
> >
> > Is it mostly about regexp-matching/searching, so
> > perhaps use prefix `re-'?
> >
> > Is it mostly about deleting text, so perhaps use
> > prefix `delete-' (as in one of its aliases)?
>
> First of all let's agree that nobody here proposed
> to rename flush-lines.

Fine.

> Anyway, if we had to do it I think all your categories
> are weak IMHO, sure it touches the concept of lines,
> regexp and deleting

I was trying to imagine renamings based on the things
involved, which I thought was what is behind, say,
renaming functions that are, as you said,
"string-related APIs", to have prefix `string-' (and
similarly for regexp-related APIs).

> but fundamentally it's about modifying buffers.

It's about modifying buffer content (only - nothing
else about buffers).  OK.

> If I had to name it it'd be:
>
> keep-lines -> buffer-keep-lines
> flush-lines -> buffer-flush-lines

OK.  So for you the most relevant thing involved
is the buffer.  Can you imagine that some might
think something else is more relevant/helpful?

That's the point (one of the points): which word
to use as prefix - what's the main point/effect
of the function?  What term will users want to
look for first or type first?  (And other
considerations.)

> With more finesse I could argue for
> `buffer-modif-select` and `buffer-modif-reject`
> but I'd probably lose you ;-)

Don't worry about losing me.  I'm not important.
Just try imagining that what's "obvious" to you
might be open to different judgments.  And naming
is very much a judgment call - a balancing act.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-04 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-02 18:28 Add some aliases for re-related functions Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:43   ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 21:21   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:27     ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  8:33       ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-03 19:07         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-02 19:48   ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:10   ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 20:13     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:16       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04  3:09         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 14:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:12             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 17:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:42                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 17:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:53                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 21:09     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-02 21:51       ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03  9:43         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-03 15:00           ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 22:41       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:14         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-04 10:07       ` João Távora
2020-05-03 14:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:20       ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-03 16:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 21:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:10   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 22:18     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-05-02 22:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 23:13       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03  3:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04  0:29           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04  3:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:44   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  3:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03  4:37       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  8:05         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03  9:55           ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-03 10:26             ` tomas
2020-05-03 15:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 19:47           ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04  7:32             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04  8:20               ` Sending plaintext with Gmail (was: Add some aliases for re-related functions) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04  8:45                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 15:09                 ` Sending plaintext with Gmail Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:25                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 15:29                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05  8:13                       ` HTML display in Gnus (was: Sending plaintext with Gmail) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-05  8:24                         ` HTML display in Gnus Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05  9:26                           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-07-17 17:14                           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 15:39                     ` Sending plaintext with Gmail Andreas Schwab
2020-05-04 16:51               ` Add some aliases for re-related functions Drew Adams
2020-05-04 17:10               ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-05-04 18:17                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 18:33                   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-05  2:48             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04  3:08         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 10:16       ` João Távora
2020-05-04  3:04 ` Richard Stallman

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