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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260877 Archived-At: On 12/15/20 9:29 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Of 7.3K respondents, 5K disable toolbars, which is more than two >> thirds. So perhaps toolbars should default to off? I know toolbars >> were all the rage in the 90s, but that's apparently not the case now. > > FWIw, I believe the toolbar should behave a bit more like the > header-line: it should not "default to off" but instead it should only > exist in those buffers where it is useful. I like that take. I tried to do this in fstar-mode: by default, opening an F* file will also re-enable the toolbar in F* buffers even if it was previously hidden by the user, and most users don't seem to re-disable it. In fact, many users seem to use them even for features that are bound to convenient keys. I have seen the same thing for beginner users of Proof General (PG also includes specialized toolbars).